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Your Morning Dump… Where the Celtics have the 4th best “young core?”

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

4. Boston Celtics (82.7)

Key young players: Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk, R.J. Hunter, Marcus SmartJae Crowder, Terry Rozier

Everybody is waiting on the Celtics to acquire or develop their next superstar, but in the meantime Danny Ainge has put together one of the deepest rosters of young talent in the league. The talent pool in Boston was made even deeper this summer with the additions of Rozier, Hunter and Jordan Mickey through the draft, and the recent acquisition of Perry Jones III via the trade market. Is there a star here? Can the crafty Ainge parlay this group into his next big three? At least he has given the Celtics plenty to work with.

ESPN Insider

Boom! The Celtics have the 4th best young core in the league. That’s how you rebuild!!

The Bucks, Pelicans and Jazz make up the top 3. The Celtics are followed by Philly, Portland, Charlotte, Toronto, Orlando and Detroit.

Hmm, there’s some odd placement (Philly, Charlotte) in that top 10. What’s the metric for this ranking system?

Today we’re ranking the top young cores across the league using projected three-year WARP. The error bars on these kinds of forecasts are large by nature. For one thing, young players are inherently more difficult to project than veterans. And once you get beyond the coming season, the picture changes in ways that even the best projection model can’t foresee.

WARP stands for Wins Above Replacement Player and it evaluates players in the context of a team made up of them and four completely average players. Before you doze off, just know that the analytics geeks put a lot of stock into these numbers. Nerd support aside, I find it  hard to get excited about a system when the author cites a large error bar right off the bat.

Aside from the inclusion of Philly and Charlotte in the top 10, there’s one gigantic reason why this system fails miserably. It’s because the Minnesota Wolves are 12th. The team with Andrew Wiggins and Karl Anthony Towns is 12th!!

I’m sorry, but aside from Anthony Davis, there isn’t a player or combination of players any GM wouldn’t include in a deal for Wiggins or Towns.

On Page 2, league scouts dish on the Celtics draft picks.

Our annual check on scouts’ opinions of Celtics drafts has generally been quite kind, but many of the league’s talent evaluators are not exactly sold on first-round picks Terry Rozier and R.J. Hunter.

Told that the reviews for his work were not entirely kind, president of basketball operations Danny Ainge shot back, “You’re talking to the wrong people.”

On the other hand, second-rounder Jordan Mickey was drawing praise even before showing his talents at summer league.

Said one personnel man: “He’s going to be so good, he’ll make people forget about the guys they took in the first round. We talked about taking Mickey in the first round, and then we tried to buy a pick early in the second round to get him. But I don’t know about Boston’s first-round guys.”

Herald

After an impressive Summer League performance was rewarded with the richest contract ever given to a 2nd round drift pick, the Mickey hype train is gaining steam.

I’m no scout, but Rozier and Hunter exceeded my expectations. You always have to take opinions from scouts and personnel guys with a grain of salt. You don’t know who you are talking to… the guy who insisted the Bulls take Jimmy Butler at #30 or the guy who wanted Fab Melo at #21 (oops).

Steve Bulpett also has a few nuggets about the Celtics being Kevin Love’s 2nd option.

The rest of the links

CSNNE – Summer League scouting report |

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  • Rick Rice

    Key young players: Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, Terry Rozier – JORDAN MICKEY?

    • stevemb34

      Noticably absent from that list? James Young 🙁

      • Sean McLaughlin

        because when has he ever been key to any success we’ve ever had? lol

        • stevemb34

          Which was my point that he’s so disappointing so far. Ugh…

  • stevemb34

    Honestly, Philly should absolutely be in the top 10 and above us. If you wouldn’t trade any 2 of our youngsters for Okafor and Noel then you’re lying.

    • check12check

      can I make the following amendment? If you wouldn’t trade any 2 of our youngsters for Okafor OR Noel then you’re lying.

      • RedsLoveChild

        If you wouldn`t trade ALL of our youngsters for Okafor and Noel then you`re either lying or crazy.

  • RedsLoveChild

    4th best??
    Better than Philadelphia??

    Who came up with this insane ranking….Austin Ainge?

    • wil

      we do have better talent than philly. lol Embiid hasnt played a game. Noel looks like he can be a good starter but not really a star. Okafor can be a star. Thats pretty much all they have.

      • RedsLoveChild

        76`ers : Noel, Okafor, and Embiid {maybe}

        Celtics : Remind me again what WE have????

        • wil

          Smarts potential = Okafors potential
          Big men who can only play offense = Big man who can only play D

          Embiid is the best talent they have because he has the chance to be a two way player. But might not even play another year.

          Big men will always be more valuable. But thats all they have. If they didnt trade MCW id say they have more talent.

          • RedsLoveChild

            So, to be clear….. you would just as soon have Smart than Okafor?

          • wil

            yep, i wanted okafor for smart before the summer league. But Smart looked ready to take the next step. And Smarts leadership has really blossomed and i think it will be quite an asset for the team.

            Okafor got that offensive talent but i doubt his motor. He was always the last one to get to the other side of the floor.

  • stephen

    i predict the celtics will win 38-41 games this year and be a 7th seed in the east. i hope he tries to move lee with some picks and pieces to get an all star. his contract is expiring but that dont mean shit when noone wants to come to boston until they get here. the summer of 2016 and 17 will most likely be a bust because everyone will have a ton of money to spend and will leave us with second tier guys.

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  • wil

    its crazy how all they can say about rozier is that the Celtics got too many guards. Or he is an undersized guard. They dont even mention if he can fit in with smart.

    Last time we drafted for need was Fab Melo lol.

    Rozier is pretty good at playing off the ball. He does need to work on being the primary ball handler but he has a better offensive skill set than AB. I reall want Rozier to develop so we dont have to watch AB chuck up jumpshot after jumpshot

  • check12check

    I pretty much agree with the league scouts here. I honestly think Mickey is the player drafted this year who is most likely to end up helping the team. Hunter looks like he has real potential, but I think he is going to look ROUGH if he sees NBA minutes this year. The shooting is there, and other tools are there too, but he needs polish before he can play the with the big guys. Rozier is the guy I think will be a complete bust. maybe I’m wrong, and I hope I am, but to me he’s the sort of player who can be a star at lower level play while not being able to contend with real nba talent. I don’t consider myself much of a talent scout though, so take my opinion with a dump truck of salt.

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