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Your Morning Dump… Where the Celtics know they aren’t tough, but can toughness fix the rebounding?

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

When Markieff Morris‘ shot attempt bounced high off the back rim, the Boston Celtics had five bodies standing in the paint, all with their eyes tracking the possible rebound. Behind them, four Washington Wizards began to retreat.

But from the weak side of the floor, Washington’s Otto Porter Jr. made a full-throttle sprint into traffic. Why not, right? The undersized Celtics and their woeful rebounding abilities had rarely discouraged a glass-crasher this season.

With a bit of a bump from behind, Porter was able to push through Isaiah Thomas and haul in the rebound. The sight of Porter not only outleaping Avery Bradley — while Thomas stumbled and Boston big men Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk stayed rooted to the ground — but emerging with the ball while surrounded by five green jerseys hammered home Boston’s struggles early in the 2016-17 season.

Porter, fouled while going back up the with one of his seven offensive rebounds, produced a career night with 34 points and 14 rebounds over 38 minutes. The Wizards as a team rebounded a staggering 41.3 percent of their misses and generated 33 second-chance points off 19 offensive rebounds en route to a 118-93 triumph over the Celtics at the Verizon Center.

The Celtics returned home Wednesday night ranked dead last in the NBA in defensive rating (112.3 points per 100 possessions), defensive rebound percentage (70.8 percent) and total rebound percentage (45.3 percent).

ESPNBoston – Boston Celtics’ Isaiah Thomas: ‘We’re not the hardest playing team’

My brother (big fan of Red’s Army) and I usually text before, during and/or after every Celtics game and when he asked me how I felt about last night’s game in the hours before tip, I told him not good. “What, exactly, has changed since the Nuggets game that is going to magically make this team rebound over Marcin Gortat?” If I was especially prescient, I would have switched out Gortat for Otto Porter, but the point remains: The Celtics can talk about getting tougher, about being in the right spot, about being scrappy again– sure, that’s great, but will that solve their rebounding woes?

I’m not sure it will. Are Tyler Zeller and Amir Johnson going to eat up boards while Joakim Noah and Kristaps Porzingis just step aside and abet in the effort? Effort is part of this, but the Celtics’ bigs, sans Horford, are shitty rebounders– Gortat had five offensive rebound last night, Sunday it was Kenneth Faried with five, Taj Gibson and Robin Lopez combined for eight when the Bulls were in town last week.

Could the Celtics be playing harder and with more focus, especially early in games? Absolutely. They could definitely grab some more boards and limit some second-chance buckets with better effort (that Porter put-back… that had me cursing loudly at my TV). But let’s face it, until Horford and Crowder come back, effort isn’t the cure-all that will fix rebounding. Guys didn’t shut Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman down on the boards because they pledged to give more effort than them– they were just better at it than you. Most bigs in the league are plain better than Tyler Zeller at gobbling up rebounds and until he’s out of the starting lineup, expect opposing bigs to get 5-6 extra chances per game.

CSNNE – Isaiah Thomas: ‘We’re not the hardest playing team no more’

Mass Live – Isaiah Thomas after Boston Celtics get crushed on offensive glass: ‘We’re not the hardest playing team no more’

On page 2, Kelly Olynyk knocked some rust off

Before playing 26 minutes during a 118-93 loss to the Washington Wizards, Olynyk had not appeared in a game since last season’s playoffs. He underwent offseason shoulder surgery in May.

“It felt good. I mean the shoulder felt good,” Olynyk said after scoring two points on 1-for-6 shooting. “I’m just trying to get back in the rhythm and obviously getting up and down and in sync with everybody. But felt good, felt strong. I’m getting some wind back but it was good.”

Olynyk botched a wide open layup early and struck the front rim on a number of jumpers, but also took a charge and impacted a few shots in the paint. After the Celtics took a 15-point deficit into halftime, the big man started the third quarter for Tyler Zeller.

Mass Live – Kelly Olynyk not bothered by shoulder in return to Boston Celtics

It wasn’t pretty, but having Kelly Olynyk back and playing a significant load of minutes is a sigh of relief for a team in need of capable bodies. Kelly won’t really help the rebounding woes, and he’s not an energizer-bunny who will solve the effort issues, but once this team is back to full strength and Olynyk has worked his way back into game shape, his spacing and offensive creativity will be a huge boost.

Something to remember over the next few weeks as we watch Kelly– it takes most guys a few games to get back into rhythm after injury, it takes Kelly a few weeks. This is completely anecdotal, but I think the stats would back me up, after the initial shoulder injury before last year’s all-star break, Kelly wasn’t the same player again. It may have more to do with the nature of the injury than the player, but it was a very slow ramp-up to the guy who was growing comfortable as an offensive weapon in the first half of last season. We’ll see how long it takes this year.

And finally, let’s not set the wrong kind of history again on Friday

Maybe not watching the tape this time is the way to go. All that Nuggets film review led to this turd of a first quarter.

The rest of the links: 

Herald – Celtics hit lowpoint in blowout loss to Wizards

CSNNE – Marcus Smart exactly what Boston Celtics starting lineup needs right now  |  Stars, Studs, and Duds

 

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  • CelticsNextGeneration
    • Curt Hays

      What’s crappy about it? It looks like an original piece.

      • CelticsNextGeneration

        it is lol

  • Astarot

    I know we’re 7 games into the season but is it a bad time to mention Cs best rebounder who left the team because Ainge thought he was to fat? Just another bad move by Ainge. What’s even worse it wasn’t even based on basketball factors nor it was cap room move. Sulinger could easily be offered 1yr deal or 1+1 type of deal with 2nd year TO even by the end of FA period so it’d not harm cap room in the next off season and yet he was let go. They could use his 8+ rebounds a game. Even if that was the only think he’d do which we know he wouldn’t cuz’ he got better in passing so he could generate some fast breaks. I’m saying all of that assuming he’d be a bench guy, also he’d give some more options for Stevens in a front court rotation. And before you’ll jump at me saying he’s injured and injury prone, he played pretty much entire last season and you can’t say if he’d be injured now had he played for Cs.

    • swissflix

      i understand your frustration but hindsight is always easier than foresight. Sully is out with a broken foot, btw.

      • Astarot

        Sure it’s easier. Still it wasn’t really rocket science in terms of Sully’s deal. It’s hardly about hindsight. He was their top rebounder, sure they got Horford but considering Johnson’s rebounding and mostly Zeller’s it wasn’t that hard to assess if they could use Sully or not especially looking at his contract situation by the end of free agency. They could overpay him in a first year (maybe only year) and pick him up. Maybe he didn’t want to come back that different story but we don’t know that. What we do know is Ainge talking about his diet and other off court stuff. I’m not saying he didn’t have health and conditioning issues that needed to be addressed. All I’m saying his issues is one thing and the way he was productive for Cs is a different thing. And he was productive most of the time (maybe to as much as we all wanted but still). To me on court productivity should be decisive that’s all. Oh and still he was less matchup dependable than Zeller in my opinion.

        • swissflix

          Yes, he is without a doubt a very talented rebounder. I would have loved to keep a slim Sully.

          • Astarot

            Slim Sully would be better for sure mostly considering his health but bear in mind he knows how to use his “big”/wide body around the basket and that’s part of where his productivity comes from so it was never that simple in terms of his weight. Sure 300 pounds Sully was unacceptable tough.

    • art

      I agree. It is beginning to look like letting Sullinger go was a bonehead move by Ainge. Ainge seems to be attracted to the smallest players he can find and just the opposite for big players. This team is way too small serioulsy affecting rebounding and defense. Even Horford is not a defensive stopper and rebounder. At least Sullinger was a wide body who could get some rebounds. The current starting lineup with Zeller, Johnson, the rookie, and the 2 very small guards isn’t going to scare anybody.

      • Astarot

        You’re right even tough most of a defense comes from team work, team effort, right moving, right double teaming and so on. But still injuries hurt them it’s hardly a news. Even with full squad tough, as defense gets better (I hope) rebounding can still be a problem especially for second unit.

    • Curt Hays

      I agree. Love Sullinger…BUT…he isn’t even playing for the next few months. He had foot surgery. James Young will get more rebounds than Sully. Sully will probably do it again and miss the playoffs. Might as well get over him.

      • Astarot

        I don’t know about injury maybe he’ll maybe he won’t nobody knows that and we don’t know if he’d broke his foot as a member of CS so. And I’m over him it’s just that they had him and we all saw what he was doing for Cs (rebounding, fighting under the basket) and they let him walk away knowing they would still need rebounding even with Horford on board.

        • Curt Hays

          He had that same injury when he was here. It’s a weight-related thing. He’s going to be a fat version of Greg Oden.

          Either way, Brad is the reason we don’t rebound…just like Doc was.

  • Curt Hays

    Rebounding….this problem existed before the Brad Stevens era.

    Rebounding is a culture–just like hustle. It starts with the leadership. This is on Brad Stevens right now. If he doesn’t force them to rebound, or make adjustments so they get more rebounds, then we will get none.

    • Astarot

      You’re right, what you’ve said is part of a problem. And remember what Tommy is saying from time to time during broadcast – why no one is boxing out anymore and he’s answering right away because no one showed those young guys what boxing out really is. I’ve just recalled the video with Red showing how to box out. I believe it was posted on Red’s Army few years ago. Stevens should use it during next practice.

      • Curt Hays

        Hahahaha, that would be legendary. Poppovich probably uses it.

        • Astarot

          Wow those statistics are ridiculous. Sully is not a solution he’s no longer with that team I wanted to point out that letting him go was a mistake. Right now Stevens needs to react. Yeah Pop probably would use it.

          • TruthHurts

            While we miss his presence I don’t think letting him go was a mistake. We basically replaced Sully with Al Horford. There was no other roster spot to keep them both. The problem is that Amir isn’t a post presence.
            One reason why we don’t box out: Our D scheme is a pressure D that overloads the strong side and encourages the O to swing the ball. That puts us in rotation and makes it incredibly difficult to box out since the players are out of position.

      • Curt Hays

        Our opponents own the paint. THAT is the story of the day.

        Avery Bradley has 2x as many rebounds as Amir Johnson and 21 more rebounds than Zeller. Those are you top 3. It’s pathetic. We are the worst rebounding team in the league by a large margin, and we give up the most points…by a larger margin.

        The other thing to consider is Free Throw attempt rate. IT4 actually ranks in the top 40 in the league in this category (including statistically insignificant players, so he’s probably closer to the top 20). IT4 has taken 62 FTs…that .525 FTs for every shot he attempts. Next on the team is Avery and Smart with 11 and 10, respectively. The team has taken 136, and 62 of them were from IT4.

        We have ZERO paint presence. Sully definitely gave us that last year, but he isn’t a real solution. Our bigs don’t play in the paint, our wings don’t drive, and we don’t draw fouls. Jaylen and Marcus drive a decent amount, but they’re not that good at it.

      • Curt Hays

        Wow…the paint is so empty…Amir has taken 57% of his shots from 3P this season…no paint presence.

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  • zippittyay

    What? No elephant turd?

  • Dmitry

    I feel sick of this squad play. Being realistic what do you expect by the end of the season from the team playing like this from the start? ECF? Really? Where is respect to the fans?..Even I remember to box out during pick up games..

    At the same time Clippers enjoying best start for years, playing defense that Celtics should be playing and Doc says that he sees some similarities with his 2008 team…I’m sick! Its early in the season, its early in the season..mantra..I hope to feel better after this rant