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With all the contracts signed and trades done, how the rotations shake out are back in the news today. Last week we made our predictions and projections for the Celtics starters, so now we’ll dive into the second unit. Last season, Boston used a high energy bench mob led by Isaiah Thomas and Jae Crowder to propel themselves to a 24-12 record during the second half of the season. Their surge helped secure a playoff berth only a year removed from trading away the final pieces of the Big 3. With a roster even deeper than last season’s, competition for any minutes will be tough. Whoever makes the rotation will be someone who comes to camp ready to compete and accepts the challenge of going toe-to-toe with players of similar skill level and distinguishes himself from the rest. Here’s how I think it’ll shake out.

Point Guard 

Isaiah Thomas

2014-2015 statistics: 16.2ppg, 4.2apg, 2.3rpg

This isn’t a conversation. Isaiah Thomas is going to find minutes on the team no matter what. Sporting an impressive 20.63 PER last season, Thomas is an electric and efficient scorer. His limitations as a defender won’t go away unless he has an unprecedented growth spurt, and I believe these limitations makes him perfectly suited as a 6th man where if he commits, he could be the best in the league. Thomas flourishes when playing heavy pick and roll, and being surrounded by shooters. This Celtics roster could provide him with that opportunity to play in a perfect situation.

2015-2016 Projection: 14.5ppg, 5.5 apg, 2.orpg

Shooting Guard

R.J Hunter

I wrestled with this one for a while, and even now I’m still skeptical, but here’s why I’m going with Hunter. With Smart, Bradley, and Thomas all set to get their fair share of playing time, this backup shooting guard position is really going to come down to rookies RJ Hunter, and Terry Rozier (I consider James Young a Small Forward). Of those two, we’ve seen the reports of how hard-working Rozier is, and his relentless approach to the game. In theory, that makes him better suited to win this job at camp. He’ll compete at the highest level, and relish the opportunity to go toe to toe with the vets. However, his biggest con, and what made fans dislike the pick, is how much can he really separate himself from what Smart, Bradley, and Thomas can bring. His speed and ability to create for himself are still there, but will he shoot it consistent enough for defenders to respect? At this stage that answer is no.

Hunter is a proven shooter who has shown potential to defend multiple positions, and passing ability to warrant a discussion about him running the offense for a few possessions. That’s not to say he won’t have his moments where he struggles and it looks like the game is moving too fast for him, but his high basketball IQ will keep those moments more distant than other rookies. This skill-set will mesh seamlessly with Isaiah Thomas, allowing him to play off-ball for some stretches as well. Defensively, he’ll struggle because of his lack of strength, but he does a great job of staying engaged, and putting himself in the right position. Against second unit guards he could hold his own, and form a pretty interesting backcourt with Thomas

2015-2016 Projection: 8.5ppg, 3.0apg, 3.0rpg

Small Forward

Jonas Jerebko

2014-2015 Statistics: 6.0ppg, 3.8rpg,0.9apg

After resigning in Boston, Jerebko will be looking for an expanded role, and will get it as the teams backup small forward. If Turner loses his starting job it doesn’t make much sense to put him in the second unit either where he’s not a great fit alongside Isaiah Thomas either. Jerebko has shown the ability to stretch out the defense with his three point range (shot 38.6% from three last season), and was an active defender with good lateral quickness and the ability to defend multiple positions. He’ll fit well on the second unit as a spacer who can help set the tone with his energy.

2015-2016 Projection: 7.0ppg, 5.0rpg, 1.0apg

Power Forward

David Lee

2014-2015 Statistics: 7.9ppg, 5.2rpg, 1.7apg

At 32 years old, and his best days behind him, I think Lee will be best suited in a reserve role where he can put out max effort for 15-20 minutes a game, and play to his strengths. This second unit will be filled with guys who can space the floor, Lee will have space to work in the paint where he can showcase his great post passing or scoring ability. Defense has always been a question, but last season he actually had a 98.7 defensive rating at home, and does a decent job defending the post, keeping up with guys on the perimeter is where he gets himself in trouble. He won’t suddenly become a better defender in Boston, but in limited minutes he’ll still be a positive on the court.

2015-2016 Projection: 7.0ppg, 7.0rpg, 2.5apg

Center

Jordan Mickey 

To round out the second unit, I believe the job will go to Jordan Mickey as the team’s backup center. With elite athleticism, and length he’ll be the perfect player to pair up with David Lee where he can help correct Lee’s mistakes on defense, and Lee can feed him easy looks on the other end. He’ll need to get stronger to defend some of the bigger post players, but he’ll be better off learning in the second unit as opposed to playing in the D-league. His ability to correct his and others mistakes defensively will be how he gets the job, and if he can show off that efficient mid-range jumper he was showing off in the summer league, teams will have fits trying to defend the pick and rolls Thomas can run with either Lee or Mickey.

2015-2016 Projection: 6.5ppg, 6.0rpg, 1.8bpg

Next week we’ll explore the out of the rotation players, and how they could become rotation members.

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  • eddysamson

    Personally, I want to see Mickey playing alongside Sully. I think they could really cover each other’s weaknesses. Sully can make up for Mickey’s lack of a box out game/rebounding. Mickey has the skills to block shots and move quick which Sully lacks.

    I think we want to see Amir playing alongside Lee + Olynyk. Amir will hopefully make up for those two’s defensive issues.

    • Sean

      Until one of them actually shoots the 3 well it might just be clogging the paint all day.

      • eddysamson

        I don’t understand this? Sully + Olynyk have a 3pt shot in their game. Amir said he does too but didn’t have many chances to use it in Toronto. Lee I have absolutely no idea about.

        • Martin

          Sully shot 28% from 3… KO was better but not great at 34%

          • Sean

            Plus KO is scared to shoot it even when he’s wide open. I trust DLee more than the both of them as of now.

  • swissflix

    And where does Rozier fit in?

    • Bill Pitkin

      I remember that after one loss, Coach Stevens attributed the defeat to a lack of speed. Well, Rozier’s got speed in spades.

      “Ya gotta get speed, demon speed. We need greasy, fast, speed!” – Rocky II

  • Sean

    I figure either RJ or Rozier is going to DL for a while. This rotation seems about right after the offseason pickups. Leaves KO, ET, and P3 plus one of the first rd guards out. Cool w/ me.

  • swissflix

    I really hope Lee can give us more than 15 minutes and 7 points! From what i understand, his numbers dipped because Green started to perform so well. He should be able to give 20-25 minutes and be on the floor in crunch time.

  • RedsLoveChild

    Mickey will definitely be the new fan-favorite, easily surpassing Crowder/ IT
    Rozier is underrated, and will exceed expectations
    Hunter will ultimately be judged by his ability to hit 3`s
    Lee will be dealt in-season to a contender
    Sully & Kelly will be “showcased” for potential trades

  • Rick Rice

    For the second year in a row Celtics will have the Best Bench in the NBA! In fact 15 DEEP, 2 Benches to 1 for everyone else! The Celtics will be coming at the opposition in waves!

  • Micah Sharon

    Personally I think:

    G: Avery Bradley (30 minutes)
    G: Marcus Smart (28 minutes)
    Point Forward: Evan Turner (25 minutes)
    PF: David Lee (28 minutes)
    C: Amir Johnson (25 minutes)
    6th: Isaiah Thomas (30 minutes)
    7th: Jae Crowder (25 minutes)
    8th: Jonas Jerebko (18 minutes)
    9th: Tyler Zeller (18 minutes)
    10th: Kelly Olynyk (13 minutes)
    11: RJ Hunter
    12: a sulking Sullinger or in case of foul trouble PJ3
    In D-League: Jordan Mickey, Terry Rozier, James Young
    Roster Moves:

    PJ3 will be cut or Sullinger will be traded

    • Andre

      I can agree with a lot of this, but if Avery Bradley receives those sorts of minutes he’ll oft be injured, and we’re likely doomed. It would seem unlikely that Sully would not get minutes, and David Lee would be able to sustain 28 a night. Crowder will be a bit closer to the 30 mark if not a touch over and ET will be maybe in the teens or in the spot you placed PJ3 in.

      • Micah Sharon

        Evan Turner was a starter last year, I imagine he will start this year because Brad Stevens likes Evan… the only way I see Evan not playing minutes w/ Brad Stevens as a coach is if DA trades Evan Turner….

      • Micah Sharon

        Also AB averaged 31.5 minutes last year, so w/ my minutes projection, he would play less than he did last year

    • Coach A. Johnson

      I am thinking along similar lines as you, just could not do the minutes. But the minutes look relatively even. A guy gets hot he might get more minutes. His replacement/sub knows this as pros. I do think any one of these three guys will be traded if Danny and CBS want to keep Jones- Sullinger, Young, Olynyk. Each has plus and minus factors that we all have discussed many times. If there are no takers I hope we can send Jones to Maine as a FA, until something else comes up at a later time.

      • Micah Sharon

        I would keep James Young for now. He is 20 and a very raw project (like Gerald Green was all of those years ago). I just mentioned Sullinger because the Celtics went on that 24-12 mainly with Sullinger injured, so he doesnt seem to fit in with the team…

        • Coach A. Johnson

          That is one thing that has to be rolling through Danny’s brain. Gerald Green wasn’t given enough time, we let him go, but when he returned, he was a gem of a player. I too think Sully getting in shape is how Danny is shopping him. And a full season of IT, Jerebko, Lee, Johnson should really make a difference.

          • Micah Sharon

            I like Sully, I think he will be a good NBA player, but the fact of the matter is that the Celtics played best when he was injured, as well as when Rondo AND Jeff Green were moved…. alot of Celtics fans are underestimating the impact Jerebko had last year…. the bench crew of Jerebko, IT and Crowder oftentimes finished games last season because their impact on the court was so positive…. and also those three made the Celtics the best bench in the NBA… remember when in the Big 3/4 era, the Celtics were one of the worst rebounding teams as well as having one of the worst benches? I do and I do not want to relive that ever again, so id like to see DA keep Jerebko, Crowder and IT as long as he can because a good bench is a good selling point to star free agents because it means the Celtics have good depth….

  • NE_Celt

    Really… I am just excited about this season… Because the Celtics franchise has put us in a great position… Too many assets vs not enough is a win in my book. I like all our assets. And I know they will be fun to watch, because they all have heart and drive. Go C’s!

  • Coach A. Johnson

    I see the depth chart looking more like:
    BALLHANDLERS
    Smart-Thomas-Rozier
    Smart and IT will play so many minutes that Rosier will indeed be sent to Maine from time to time to get some action. OR when Smart is playing the SG, then TR might get some burn.
    WINGS
    Bradley-Hunter-Young
    Crowder-Turner-Jerebko
    Bradley and his combination of O & D will get the minutes over the youngsters. Think it is safe to say we will also see Turner here before the kids. But the kids are really good shooters. Crowder’s D gets him real burn. And Jerebko is experienced and long. Minutes might be split up evenly at this spot as each guy brings something different. Which is always a good thing.
    BIGS
    Sullinger-Lee-Olynyk
    Johnson-Zeller-Mickey
    Minutes are going fast here. One bad mistake could lead to a long benching, just because there some many guys. But its better to have more than less if you are CBS. Mickey is going to have to do something incredible to get minutes over a couple of 16 million dollar FAs and two first round picks playing for better contracts.
    The 2nd string is 8 guys deep in my opinion. I see in this order of riding the pine most are Young-Mickey-Rozier-Hunter. Which leaves an 11 man rotation. And then the Jones situation is still there. lol

  • Rio Contrada

    I’m sorry, but Mickey at 1.8 BPG? Marc Gasol average 1.6 last year. Come on.