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Enemy Chatter: Amir Johnson is a gangly forward who never takes nights off

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We often wonder what opposing teams, their beat reporters and bloggers are saying about the Celtics. Here’s a look at some enemy chatter from Toronto.

Although his numbers have never been eye catching, he has often been described as the heart of Toronto’s team. The gangly forward never takes nights off, works hard, and appears to be giving his all every time he steps onto the court. His effort was not lost on the fan inhabitants of Jurassic Park. We noticed that he’d always battle for rebounds, hustle on defense, and clearly look to add to his game each offseason. For example, it was evident over the past few seasons that Amir had tried to become more comfortable with becoming a three point threat, even if it never really materialized.

However, perhaps it is his hard nosed, pedal to the metal style that made the truth that much more difficult to accept. Despite his best efforts, and his intangibles, it became apparent this season that if the Raptors ever want to develop into a true contender, Amir Johnson cannot be a starter. On the offensive end, Amir isn’t a true threat inside or out. On defense, he tries but can’t contend with the bigger post players such as Nene or Gortat, but at the same time isn’t particularly effective in small ball line-ups. Frankly, this past season Amir looked like a player was big on heart that was being failed by his body. Whether the front office chooses to bring back the 28 year old is up in the air, but what isn’t is that he will likely be served best as a primary or energy big off of a contending bench.

Raptors Republic

With most Celtics fans shrugged their shoulders at the signing of Amir Johnson, I thought it would be interesting to see what Raptors fans think of him. The excerpt above is from the Raptors Republic yearly player review.

Johnson is a hard working guy with some glaring limitations. He allegedly can’t score, allegedly can’t defend bigs and it looks as if his body is wearing down.

Despite all those negative qualities, Amir immediately becomes the best defender among our bigs (Zeller, Olynyk, Sullinger, Jerebko, Mickey).

It’s highly likely Danny Ainge has a different perception of Amir Johnson. But even so, and with Brandon Bass leaving, I don’t see how Johnson fits this team. Why spend $12 million on a veteran who will take minutes from your younger bigs? Twelve million is a lot to pay a mentor.

I’d see the value in Johnson if Danny Ainge was simply trying to improve the Celtics for next year. A piece who will help us win a few games and get back in the playoffs. But as Ainge often tells us, this is about the long term stability of the franchise.

I’m told to believe that trades are coming. That it’s highly unlikely the current Celtics roster will look the same in October. It’s going to take a few moves for me to understand what Amir Johnson is doing here.

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  • Andrew

    I would rather have signed Greg Monroe and waited until after to sign Crowder and Jerebko because the celtics have their bird rights so even if they went over the cap they could still sign

    • SNG

      Monroe didn’t want to sign with Boston

    • RedwasKing

      not big on Monroe anyway. Too slow for basketball today. Would have been great in the 90s and 2000s

  • bill_nair

    I think Amir should start at the 5. He brings exactly what Zeller does on offense (if Zeller would be open to taking the 15 foot jumper more he’d be a better fit) and is an upgrade on defense. Ill be pissed if we bring in Amir only to replace Bass as the starting PF.

  • KGino

    Danny’s best move by FAR since dealing PP and KG was the hiring of Brad Stevens. If he was going to fill our roster with a bunch of role players and youngins, it was VITAL that he have a coach for them to blossom under in order for their value around the league to increase. Imagine if we still had Doc Rivers? He wouldn’t know how to use half the guys BS has made look good.

    Brad Stevens is like a player-skill-multiplier. If Amir Johnson was a 1.0x for the Raps, he’s gonna be at least a 1.2x under BS. Doc Rivers was the opposite for role players. Courtney Lee came here as a 1.0x, left as a .6x, and now starts on perennial contender. You suck, Doc. Sign Brad for 10 more years at least!

    • wil

      i saw some where that Cs were number one in points by the roll man. Mostly by zeller i guess. Amir gives us another guy to run p&r with.

    • adam

      I agree, they talked so much about position-less basketball before the draft and free agency. Now look what we have guys who can play sf,pf,c. guys who can play sg,sf. and guys who can play pg,sg,sf. I think this team will be fun this season, especially with the way we finished last and having no rondo ro jeff green at all.

  • BillRussell

    When i first saw the trade, 2 yrs 12 mil- i didn’t really like it, but after finding out both his and Jonas contracts are team options next year, i like it alot.
    still dreaming of the day Celtics get a legit center tho

  • Adam Stark

    If you really think about it, it’s a great move. He makes us better now and is pretty much an expiring contract, so if say DMC becomes available we could put together a great package. Just think of it as trade exemption that plays and is insurance if Kelly or Sully go. Danny is more Cunning than you think.

    • wil

      seriously! Danny is really crafty. One proof is when you look at trade exceptions. Most teams dont even have one, we have plentyyyy. The Amir signing is great, doesnt tie us up in anyway.

      Most people blame him for not getting free agents to come but i think its mostly the perception of the team.

  • Banner18

    Trades are coming I guess. The Jerebko deal is the one that kills me, not Johnson. It appears they fill the same role in an already crowded frontcourt as rangy forwards who can be the ‘stretch 5’ in small ball lineups. Amir is a better rebounder/defender and Jerebko a better shooter. He signed for what his cap hold was basically, so unlike Crowder (who still only counts about 1.2m until everything becomes official on the 9th) Jerebko’s deal and his roster spot is the one that keeps us from making an offer for Robin Lopez, Koufos or even Biyombo. Yes Danny is preserving cap space, and overpaying Johnson up front is better than giving him the deal at his current value (3/18 or so, what Brandan Wright took), but the Jerebko deal really pisses me off.

  • Coach A. Johnson

    The next domino to fall will or should seriously need to be Sullinger being moved out. The team showed that it can play without Jared in the lineup. After that I can actually see either Smart or Bradley being moved. We drafted a big SGs(Young and Hunter) in two years, has to be Danny realizing that having AB at only 6-2 is sometimes detrimental to the team. And Smart? Well he is an attractive piece for some teams, so gotta throw his name in there.

    • swissflix

      Sadly you won’t get much for fat Sully at this point. Too much unfulfilled promise and too many injuries already. Not to mention his weight. Next season only makes as far as the development of our young guns is concerned. Other than that-tank tank tank.

  • Randy

    What’s amazing is that Ainge just spent $24 million on three players, none of whom, let’s be honest, would crack the top 6 on a true contender. I read the Amir Johnson signing as an admission that, for the Celtics, this year’s free agency is a bust. And the reality is that to obtain an established star via trade, one has to give up “almost stars” or “rising stars” in return (e.g., Andrew Wiggins in the Kevin Love deal; Al Jefferson (one of the league’s best low post players) for Kevin Garnett). I’m not sure that any of these low-ceiling players sweetens the pot for such a deal. The only way these signings serve a purpose is if they prevent the Celtics from improving (a real possibility) and facilitate the team’s regression, which is sadly necessary to secure a good young player in the draft (the late season winning streak in 2014 was detrimental to the team’s long-term development, and making the playoffs this year was, as well).

  • Mike Spoon

    I really hope Amir is in the gym shooting threes all summer. I think he shot like 33% last year. If he gets that up to 37, 38 percent then his value skyrockets.

  • zippittyay

    On the positive side, we will have 4 first round picks NEXT year. Brooklyn could implode and their unprotected pick could be very good. Dallas looks like they have entered the death spiral and I could easily see them missing the playoffs and their top-7 protected pick being rather good. The T-Wolves might actually slip into the last playoff spot in the west or close to it making their top-12 protected pick a distinct possibility and of course their is our own pick. That’s a lot of chances to either land a star with one of those picks or (maybe) trade up… 😉

    • swissflix

      Well, that was by far the most encouraging post:) Thank you for the reminder! It would be sweet if those Dallas &Sota picks actually materialized!

  • Hugh

    Love how people act like we had a chance with the top tier FA’s, news flash we didn’t. So we signed short term deals rather than leave cap entirely unused, and firmed up our interior whilst younger players develop or lesser players are traded. Monroe went to the Bucks as they are closer to winning than other teams, if we improve on last year then we will have more chance with FA’s. We cannot win now with so much youth on the roster, so sit back, watch the team develop, and enjoy the short term rotation of veterans to keep the balance within the team in the mean time.

  • Andre

    Maybe I can blow someone’s mind with this, but what if the plan the entire time has been to bring Colton Iverson into the mix as the stopper in the middle…? And I know this is crazy talk, but what if the combination of Crowder, Smart, Young, Sully and Iverson becomes the defensive threat that everyone is scared of….nah DA’s just been smoking nm, lol.

    Watching this — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1WsDFZKR0s

  • Brick James

    Celtics fan chatter: Amir Johnson is an overpaid player who will never make a team better by himself.

  • swissflix

    Let’s hope Dallas does not get Deandre and keep your fingers crossed that Towns is a beast- that would be two very nice mid-first rounders next year!!

  • Jake Gruber

    Maybe I’m just crazy, but it feels to me that free agency is not a way for the celtics to get good. No big time player ever really wants to come to Boston. The exception was KG, but A) that was a trade B) the celtics had Allen and Pierce.

  • Raptors will rule

    if Amir had ankles, he could play in rotation on any team in the league and contribute. Sorry to see him leave Toronto.

  • betty_bzuniga