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Your Morning Dump… Where the Celtics shopped Sullinger, but not Smart

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Sources say that the Celtics were discussing a package that included multiple picks and big man Jared Sullinger with New York and that Phoenix talked to members of the organization about a trade involving Eric Bledsoe in the hours leading up to the draft.

It is unclear how far any of the talks advanced, but Jackson eventually settled on selecting Kristaps Porzingis with the fourth pick.

ESPN Boston: NYK, Celtics talked Sullinger deal

According to discussions with sources around the league, Marcus Smart was never shopped by the Celts — though his name was reported so often, he called the club to inquire if he was on the block. This is not to say Smart couldn’t have been available under a larger and more comprehensive situation, but nothing of that sort ever came close.

Some of the Celtics’ alleged targets were well off the mark, as well. The names cannot be used because they will have to play against these guys, but NBA personnel sources confirmed the C’s had no interest at all in some of the people they were said to be moving up in the draft to get.

Herald: Plan A, B failed, so Celtics move to C

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SOURCES!

One thing should be abundantly clear by now. The Celtics tried like hell to move up in this draft, something Ainge said he would do.  It didn’t matter that teams were in their division, and that they’d be potentially stocking the Knicks or Sixers with a cache of future draft picks. All that mattered was getting their target player, which appears to be Justise Winslow. 

The Celtics tried to use their hard-earned assets to upgrade the roster with a potential star. But as Ainge reiterated during his midnight address to the media, teams value their targets much more passionately on draft night and the Celtics brass were aware of that.

Why else would Michael Jordan and the Charlotte Hornets turn down an offer of multiple first-round picks to take Frank Kaminsky when they already have Cody Zeller, whom they selected fourth overall two years ago? Somebody in Charlotte, and his initials are M.J., fell hard for Kaminsky during the pre-draft process, harder than the Celtics loved Winslow.

There is going to be a day three years from now when Winslow is a potential All Star, Kaminsky is a bust, and fan bases in Boston and Charlotte will look at Jordan with such contempt.

As for the names involved in these potential moves… I have a hard time believing Marcus Smart wasn’t discussed at some point, even in passing. Everyone on this team knows by now that this part of the year is all about business. Teams are never the same from year to year. Every team in the NBA adds and loses players in the offseason, so it’s no different in Boston, even with guys who have made an impact.

In the end, it may end up that the old adage will ring true… sometime the most important deals are the ones you don’t do.  We’ll have to wait and see how Kaminsky and Winslow do as pros (as well as Rozier and Hunter), then come back and look at whether the Celtics got screwed, or got lucky, in this year’s draft.

Page 2: At least one of the C’s draft picks will play overseas

“We’re going to work out some deals with at least one, maybe two,” Ainge told Comcast SportsNet during Thursday night’s NBA draft.

Shooting guard Marcus Thornton of William & Mary was drafted by Boston in the second round with the 45th pick overall, and will likely be playing with a team overseas next season with the Celtics maintaining his rights.

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This of course means we’re going to fall in love with Thornton’s game as he busts his ass in summer league, then keep tabs on him for a couple of years until it’s pretty clear he’s never really going to be good enough to play in the NBA.

We’ll call this, the “Colton Iverson” plan.

The rest of the links:

Globe: Stevens knows all about RJ Hunter  |  Rozier brings toughness, personality  |  Herald: Failed trade talks tough to swallow  |  CSNNE: Draft leaves future cloudier than ever  |  ESPN Boston: C’s dangled up to 6 picks for 9  |  WEEI: Goodman on MFB: Rozier the wrong pick

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  • art

    It’s time to bring up the Isaiah Thomas deal once more and the continued repercussions from that transaction. What did it really buy the Green? Here it is: a first round playoff sweep, a lost opportunity to draft Winslow without all the pain of trying and failing to make a deal during draft night, and a pint-sized 5 feet nine inch point guard who is offensively skilled but is a king-sized defensive liability. I say the deal wasn’t worth it and Danny should have taken his chances and waited until the off-season if he wanted Thomas that much. This reminds one of the Perkins trade mid-season that helped destroy the C’s title hopes. Danny should hold off on mid-season deals and be the trader that he is in the off-season.

    • MadLad

      so if he waited for the off season for IT, then what? we will be improved with him next season, make the playoffs, get crushed, get lower draft pick…again? Assume we got Love, then what? its the same scenario.
      Building a team requires steps. It takes years, not one off season. even with some of our big moves, its not going to be all shits and giggles immediately. I think that IT is an excellent addition to this team, especially at the price we got him. We leaned on him last year to propel us…i see why it hurt us draft wise, but down the road (once we get real help, in the form of a FA w some experience) IT will be a nice piece of our team. imo.
      THe only thing Ainge CANT do, that would completely screw us is getting a pricey FA and him being a dud. once AInge shoots all his bullets, he better hit on most of them, or its game over. We’ll have to bring back ML Carr to coach this team and go that route.

      • art

        I put a lot of value on the draft and not getting that top 10 pick for a rebuilding team was a serious blow. In this case, it would have produced the guy that Danny was willing to pay 6 top draft picks for.

        • MadLad

          also, hindsight is 20/20. who knew winslow would be there at 10? a few weeks ago, #10 maybe got us WCS, even then he could of dropped into the mid teens, per scouts. You just dont know in the draft and theres lots of success stories in recent years of mid to low draft picks getting gems. between foreign players, small college players, injuried freshman who declare….the opportunity is there for where we drafted. taking advantage of that opp is another story. In Danny we trust….(for now)

          • art

            The higher you are in the draft order, the more likely the chance of success. It causes teams to tank during the regular season. The C’s went the other way and out of the lottery thanks to that Thomas deal. Draft disappointment followed. That’s not to say the draft was a total failure. Some of the 4 picks could turn out well.

          • Richard Jensen

            Teams in the lottery, especially the high lottery, tend to live in the lottery, or just outside of it.

            Let’s take the teams that finished with a record of .500 or below this season, in alphabetical order and look at the number of seasons they’ve had under .500 in the past ten years:

            Boston – 4x
            Brooklyn – 6x
            Charlotte – 8x

            Denver – 2x
            Detroit – 7x
            Indiana – 6x
            Los Angeles – 2x

            Miami – 2x
            Milwaukee – 8x

            Minnesota – 10x

            New York – 7x
            OKC – 5x

            Orlando – 5x
            Philly – 7x
            Phoenix – 3x
            Sacramento – 9x
            Utah – 3x

            Look at the distribution:

            10-9-8-8-7-7-7-6-6-5-5-4-3-3-2-2-2

            41% of the teams that finished at or below .500 this year have finished at or below .500 at least 7 times in the past ten years.

            Logging a bunch of lottery appearances does NOT make your team better.

          • art

            I would also like to mention that this is not a matter of hindsight. A lot of us knew at the time that the Thomas deal meant draft position trouble. Even Danny had the thoughts but decided to pull the trigger anyways. Not wise when searching for star players for your struggling team. The Fakers and Miami both got the stars. They both made Danny and the C’s organization look bad.

        • Sean McLaughlin

          Rookies don’t win championships. A good mix of young guys and veterans do. Danny’s on the right track as long as he turns some of these young guys, picks and midlevel exceptions into a couple of all stars. We’ve built up our bank account, time to cash in. The IT4 acquisition was the start of us turning into buyers instead of sellers.

  • Mike Spoon

    I think people are putting a little too much stock in this year’s draft. It would have been great to get Winslow, I, like everyone, think he is going to be a stud. However, this was essentially the dessert, and next year’s draft is the main course. Everyone says we are getting middling picks, but Brooklyn looks ready to implode. That is our lottery ticket. I hope we take another step forward and draft in the late teens while beating on Brooklyn all year long. Also, we have Dallas’s pick (I think top 7 protected), and they aren’t making the playoffs next year. So we may be looking at two lottery picks and a late teens pick. Once Danny screws that up, we can freak out.

    • celtics_forever

      You eat dessert before the main course?

      • Mike Spoon

        Yes, I heard that’s how the Europeans do it. Very classy.

        Obviously I meant appetizer…

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    Adam Himmelsbach ‏@AdamHimmelsbach 15h15 hours ago
    Source confirms @ShamsCharania report that Texas F Jonathan Holmes to play for Celtics’ summer league. Draft Express’ 33rd ranked prospect.

  • celtics_forever

    Why is everyone saying that Marcus Smart is going to be traded? Doesn’t he have a higher ceiling than Rozier?