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Your Morning Dump… Where Danny <3 Jahlil

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Not even the most optimistic Greenheart believes this roster is ready to play in June.

In any case, we do know the deal was dead on Wednesday and that the other club pulled the plug. The locals left the porch light on, but nothing returned to life.

Boston Herald

According to Herald sources, the Celtics did check on the availability of just about every major star, which is par for the course for most teams — though in the case of the C’s they had the currency in picks and players to lessen the ‘are-you-kidding-me?’ factor.

Said one league exec, “It’s like they took the All-Star roster and used it as Match.com.”

Boston Herald

Steve Bulpett with a couple of articles well worth spending a bit of your Saturday morning on. There’s a nice dash of insider tidbits along with a realistic view of where the Celtics were on Thursday.

There are people who think that Danny should’ve “done something” before the deadline. These are probably the same people who would’ve complained even louder if Ainge had taken any of the absurd offers that were apparently out there, what with Atlanta and Houston not being able to decide what they want to do with themselves and everybody trying to fob off a failed free agent signing or bad trade on Danny in exchange for one of those juicy juicy Brooklyn picks.

Page 2: Where David Lee is out of work

“You want to help all of your guys have tremendous experiences and tremendous success having those experiences, but you can only play five at once,” Stevens said. “So, regardless, somebody or multiple people aren’t playing much or as much as they want. And that’s on every team, that’s every year. You try to put in enough time and work, and thoroughly evaluate it, figure out what’s best for the team. Sometimes you’re right and sometimes you don’t find the right formula for a while. So I wish it would have worked out better from a playing time standpoint, but I said he was a good pro, and he’s going to have great opportunity wherever he goes now.”

ESPN Boston

Brad Stevens with a quote that shows exactly why he’s able to get more out of his players than any other coach in the league.

However, David Lee earned his spot on the bench. After sitting out three games in January, Lee logged a terrible 2-12/-12 night against Memphis and didn’t play again.

Page 3: Where defense is a requirement

But make no mistake, defense is a requirement in Boston. From the first day he was hired in July 2013, Stevens attempted to instill what he calls a defensive DNA. And the No. 1 priority in establishing that is having every rotation player commit 100 percent to that side of the ball.

“If you are playing well on the defensive end, you are going to give yourself a shot, no matter what,” Olynyk said. “That’s what we need to do every night, gives ourselves a shot at the end. If we are playing good offense, we are going to beat teams. If we are not, then we need to rely on our defense to give us a shot to win.”

ESPN Boston

Chris Forsberg with a deep dive into Boston’s defense (we’ll pretend that last night didn’t happen).

Page 4: Jae Crowder gets a pair of his dad’s shoes

After the Boston Celtics arrived at shootaround, a member of the Jazz’s public relations staff approached Crowder to see whether he would like a pair of his father’s old game-worn shoes. Utah was one of two teams Crowder’s dad, Corey, played for over a brief NBA career. He averaged 2.2 points over 51 games with the Jazz as a rookie during the 1991-92 season.

“They walked up to me and said they had some shoes in storage, and asked me do I want them,” the younger Crowder explained Friday night before meeting the Jazz. “I said of course. That’s monumental and that’s something that I’ll cherish forever. I’m forever grateful for that.”

MassLive

Great story. Although if the Jazz still have shoes from a guy who played 51 games for them 25 years ago, you have to wonder what else they’ve got. And why they still have it.

Finally: Stevens makes a point

 

Yep. That’s all you need to know about last night’s “game”.

The rest of the links–non game related:

MassLive: Boston Celtics trade rumors 2016: Jahlil Okafor was reportedly the mystery target | Boston Celtics rumors 2016: ‘In no rush’ to fill roster spot after waiving David Lee | Boston Celtics big man Kelly Olynyk got a haircut, expects to miss 3 to 4 weeks with partially separated shoulder

CSNNE: Deep Green: Isaiah Thomas’ Celtics journey | Stevens: More small ball forced Lee out of rotation

Boston.com: Lack of deadline moves shouldn’t worry Celtics fans

Boston Herald: Shane Battier sticks by assessment of Celtics’ Jae Crowder

The game postmortems:

MassLive: Isaiah Thomas scored 25 points but Boston Celtics outclassed by Utah Jazz, 111-93

CSNNE: Stevens: Jazz ‘hit us in the mouth and kept hitting us’ | Celtics drop first game after break to Jazz, 111-93

Boston Herald: Celtics give Jazz a break, trip and fall to start second half

Boston Globe: It’s foul ball for Celtics in zinging loss to Jazz

NESN: Brad Stevens: Jazz ‘Hit Us In The Mouth’ In Celtics’ Underwhelming Loss

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  • Jaedre

    Jhalil is what we need!!!

  • zippittyay

    I’d have given them Sully and this year’s BKN pick

  • Astarot

    If that really was Jahlil I’m glad Philly refused it eventually (assuming Nets pick was on the table). Cs need young D first (all around would be the best) kind of C and Okafor is only young. Sure he has big upside but I doubt he’d cornerstone kind of a player. From young bigs: Drummond, Gobert, Ezeli, Towns – those are the names

    • wil

      Okafor is really talented. His post game is better than alot of vets. Im sure Brad Stevens can groom him as an all around player.

      Poor guy lol 76ers drafted him along with 2 more bigs that have no jumpshot lol

    • Curt Hays

      Okafor is a cornerstone type of player. He needs the right coach, but the guy has extremely high potential that comes with a pretty high floor…in other words, his worst ain’t even that bad.

  • Jake Gruber

    So I decided to actually do some fact checking about Danny Ainge’s track record. While I don’t think he’s a terrible GM, I’m just not sold that he is as amazing as everyone says. Here is what I found.

    Draft

    bad draft picks:

    Brandon hunter
    Orien Greene
    Troy bell
    Justin Reed
    Aaron gray
    JR Giddens
    Semi Erden
    Lester Hudson
    Luke harangody
    Marshon brooks
    Etwan Moore
    Kris Joseph
    Fab melo
    Jajuan Johnson
    Lucas nogueira
    James young

    Now decent picks (sometimes rotation guys, but mostly for bad or okay teams):

    Delonte west
    Ryan Gomes (maybe)
    Gerald green
    Randy foye (draft night trade for telfair, so Ainge may have been told to pick him)
    Jared sullinger

    Good picks (consistent rotation guys or stars):

    Now people who would be considered “good”, above average, rotation players by at least some people:
    Al Jefferson
    Tony Allen
    Avery Bradley
    Jeff green (may have been told by OKC to select him)
    Rajon rondo (I am not a rondo fan but I will consent that was a steal at 21 or whatever he was)

    As you can see, considering only draft picks, Ainge has drafted pretty much 1 all star and 4-5 rotation players, some of which other teams may have told him to draft because they were draft night trades.

    I do not have enough time or energy right now to go through every trade, but when you really think about it, aside from some obvious ones, I don’t feel like he’s made any amazing moves either, though this has probably been his best chunk of moves.

    Highlight trades

    Good
    -Garnett trade (obvious)
    -Allen trade (in my opinion his best, not obvious move)
    -rondo for crowder
    -pierce and kg for picks (obvious, these guys just were done unfortunately)

    Bad
    -Perkins for green (just awful. Funny how he doesn’t want to be impatient and make any rash moves now with a team with the 3rd best record but was willing to do it with a team with the NBAs best record and a starting 5 that had never lost a series)

    Free agents

    Good (all in same year except LB)
    Sam cassell
    Eddie house
    James posey
    Pj brown
    Leandro Barbosa

    Bad
    Rasheed Wallace
    Troy Murphy
    Brian scalabrine
    Jermaine oneil
    Stephon Marbury
    Von Wafer
    Marquis Daniels
    Gary Payton
    Sasha Pavlovic
    Michael Finley
    Mikki Moore
    Carlos arroyo
    Chris Wilcox

    I may missed a bunch, but the idea is there. Obviously this isn’t a comprehensive list but these were the ones that were supposed to be “impactful”. I just don’t think he is as amazing as everyone says.

    • forever_green

      Good job, up vote for the hard work.

      Of course DA isn’t amazing, only narrow minded people think that. DA has been very lucky, not many GM’s throw away a championship with a trade and get to keep their job.

      • art

        Well that is the one big blemish on Danny’s record isn’t it? Let’s just hope that the number stays at one forever more. The trade deadline that just passed is a good indicator that Danny won’t be that foolish again. One time in 13 years.

    • zippittyay

      The only way to objectively grade draft picking is to compare whom we took with the players taken 4 or 5 slots after we picked. Those would be the guys we passed on. If some guy farther back than that blossomed into a star, he probably surprised everyone. There are some teams that have done extraordinarily well like GS, CHI and SA. Celtics would be in the next tier of good draft pickers.

    • art

      Firstly, I think you should eliminate 2nd round picks unless they are good because rarely does a the 2nd rounder make your team. The second round is just a crapshoot.
      2003-acquired Marcus Banks (bad) and Kendrick Perkins (good) for Troy Bell and Dahntay Jones in a draft night trade
      2011 – Brooks was traded for the pick to get J. Johnson. Moore is still in the NBA so that was a good pick for the second round.
      The Celtics have had very few high draft picks so you have to take that into consideration. For example, JR Giddens and Jawuan Johnson were picked very low in the first round. Those would be mistakes if players picked lower earned spots on NBA teams and played well.
      Free agents – Evan Turner (good)

    • KGino

      A couple things to add… 1.) you left out ainges 2nd best move in his tenure (putting together the big 3 being his first), and potentially his best: hiring Brad Stevens. 2.) lots of 2nd round draft picks you listed there… Not many of those do hit. Brand hunter for example, used to wear number 56 because he was drafted that low or something. A 56th pick in the draft is likely to be bad no matter who’s in charge of picking it (don’t tell IT that). 3.) speaking of IT, I don’t see his name there on the “good trades” section. Also he has made bunches of small, but impactful moves recently. Like getting Zeller for nothing. Trading up for Kelly Olynyk (that draft was pretty bad). Also thought RJ hunter and Mickey were good picks for where they were drafted. Rozier not so much, but time will tell on those

    • wil

      Try doing that for every active GM. Theres maybe 1 or 2 that has a good track record.

      Being 3rd seed right now is pretty amazing. Add to that the flexibility cap space. We are not committed to any one with a bad contract. Plus we got IT and Crowder who now plays a huge role in why we are winning. And then, we got unprotected picks from Nets. And we got one of the best coaches in the NBA.

      I’m perfectly happy with Danny Ainge. I am happy at where the C’s are right now.

    • zippittyay

      A lot of people hated the Green for Perkins trade but honestly, Uncle Jeff did more for us than Kendrick did for anyone after leaving the Celtics.

      • art

        The problem was that KG and Perkins together were a very formidable tandem, championship caliber. And that was destroyed with the trade. It seemed like they were on their way prior to the trade.. Many feel, as I do, that if Perkins doesn’t get hurt in the 2010 Finals, the C’s win the 2010 title.

      • Jake Gruber

        See comment below by art.

      • wil

        YES! We were in a situation where we were doing great without perk, and we werent gonna resign him. (Money problems plus him coming off an injury.) Getting a way younger green for him was a good deal.

        What went wrong was the shaq injury, jermaine was total shit and green had heart problems. Every one is so hung up on what couldve been and totally discounting the fact that we are enjoying Celtic basketball in third seed all because of deals made by DA. Theres alot of terrible GMs out there, And these fans make it sound like finding a good GM is easy.

  • Vivek Vikram

    i am glad to hear danny went after jahlil. i was wondering who is worth and available in the league for the brooklyn pick.