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Your Morning Dump… Where Ainge says we fell for the draft hype

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Boston entered with a particular need for size and adamant it couldn’t carry four rookies on next season’s roster. The Celtics then selected three guards — ballooning their backcourt depth chart to nine guards for the moment — and coach Brad Stevens said he can envision at least three of these rookies competing for a roster spot.

All of which will leave Celtics fans scratching their heads after draft night.

“The fans, they feed into what’s being written and said a lot, too,” Ainge said. “But I did say that we would try to move up. The price was way too high. There’s so many rumors out there. There’s so many things that are being said and written that are not even close to being true, that are just made up stories — no sources and fake sources — and people get caught up in these rumors and their expectations go even higher.”

ESPN BostonDanny Ainge on Celtics draft: ‘We tried hard to trade up’

Before last year’s off-season, Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck promised fireworks in terms of Danny Ainge’s roster moves. We believed it – but we’re still waiting. Last night’s NBA Draft was another opportunity to make it happen. Once again, the sky remained dark.

There were no trades to move up to a lottery pick. Willie Cauley-Stein did not slip as rumored. Nearly everyone who’d been projected as a potential Celtic and impact player was long gone before pick no. 16 was called. All the assets Ainge has collected weren’t enough to help Boston meet the fans’ expectations.

Then it got worse. A collective “WTF?” came from Celtics Nation after Adam Silver announced the Cs had selected 6’2” point guard Terry Rozier from Louisville.

No one saw it coming. Rozier (who?) wasn’t on anyone’s mock draft board for the Cs, and was such an unexpected pick that he wasn’t even at the Barclays Center. More important, Boston already has Thomas, Smart, Pressey and Turner to handle the ball. Why take another point guard when you need a shot-blocking big guy?

The disappointment was palpable among fans at the Celtics draft party and on Twitter.

The mood improved a bit when, on their second chance, Boston used no. 28 to select R.J. Hunter, a 6’6” shooter from Georgia State. That pick was more well-received than no. 16, because it didn’t come out of the blue and because Hunter was perceived as the better value than Rozier in their respective spots.

In the second round, the Celts used the 33rd pick to take Jordan Mickey, who at 6’8” was the nation’s leading shot blocker this past season (the long-awaited rim protector!). Pick no. 45 was yet another backcourt player: Marcus Thornton (not the old one, a new one), a 6’3” shooting guard from William & Mary.

So now we wait for the next step. There will be a next step, right Danny?

On Page 2: We really, really need a trade

Minutes after making his final pick, Ainge was thinking about addressing the logjam at some point.

“Obviously, we have a lot of guards. And we like them all. And we’ll figure it out,” he said. “We may have to make some tough choices, but we really like all the guys.”

MassLiveTerry Rozier? No trade into the lottery? What happened with the Boston Celtics’ NBA Draft?

With all the guards being chosen for a squad that already had plenty of guards, the logical draft night speculation was that Trader Danny must have something up his sleeve. He’s going to make some moves to balance the roster, right? The master plan will be revealed, won’t it?

Well, that “we’ll figure it out” quote makes you wonder.

As noted, Philly is a logical trade partner, but what happens if they aren’t interested? We often say, “In Danny, we trust.” Now he has to show us why.

The Rest of the Links:

HeraldCeltics catch ’em off guard  |  Celtics fans left to hope projections are correct

GlobeAmbitious Celtics can’t move up, so they draft three guards and a forward  |  With expectations soaring, this felt like a rough draft for Celtics

CSNNEDespite ‘unbelievable offers,’ Ainge unable to make a deal  |  Scalabrine: Teams don’t want to be ‘bamboozled’ by Ainge

ESPN BostonNo. 16 pick: Celtics select Terry Rozier  |  No. 28 pick: Celtics take R.J. Hunter

Bleacher Report – Terry Rozier to Celtics: Twitter Reacts as PG Is Selected in 2015 NBA Draft

ForbesNBA Draft: Lakers’ Russell Among the Winners, Celtics Head the Losers

WEEIWait, what? Making sense of a strange Celtics draft

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  • CFH

    At least they got the younger Thornton for the big Marcus/Marcus/DeMarcus/LaMarcus plan.

    This draft pretty much sucked. My karmic punishment for laughing at the Knicks fans no doubt.

  • Curt Hays

    Brad Stevens is coaching the best college team he has ever had.

    Danny either has a plan and is saying this stuff as misdirection, or he has lost his gd mind.

    Maybe he just wanted IT4 to feel comfortable around his teammates, so he just drafts short guys.

    • bill_nair

      He has no plan whatsoever. Go through the motions until one of the players he drafts is good or until a trade is there.

      • Curt Hays

        That IS the more likely case. RJ Hunter is a keeper, no doubt. He and IT4 will spread the defense. I guess Rozier is a cheaper Avery Bradley. Maybe we can move Bradley, sign-and-trade Bass, and send Sully for some package deal for something good…like 5 or 6 more guards.

        • bill_nair

          IT
          Rozier
          Bradley
          Smart
          Turner

          Banner #18

          • Curt Hays

            Lots of options for mascots!

            But…RJ does have a great stroke. That’s the one good thing.

          • bill_nair

            Young can back up Turner at the 5 and we can let Pressey be our back up 4. KO can be our mascot cause lord knows we dont need 7 footers on the court when we play basketball.

          • Dmitry

            I feel it, Turner is at center, good passer, good rebounded for his position =) Smart is undersized power forward – can shoot 3, good defender , spread the floor at 4th position …

          • bill_nair

            Crowder, Young and Pressey off the bench. If the Warriors can win with small ball why cant we?

          • Dmitry

            we will beat small ball with XS ball !

        • bill_nair

          But on a serious note….I’m not sold on Hunter. Everyone talks about the kid being a shooter but he shot poorly in college, due to poor shot selection and decision making. Maybe he turns out to be a consistent 3 point threat, like we want James Young to be?

          Rozier might be Bradley’s replacement, but aren’t we still seeing if Smart can even be that caliber of a player, do we need another Marcus Smart?

          Seems like Danny was hoping Oubre fell into his lap, and then when he was gone panicked and just threw a shot in the dark. Just a weird draft and only leads me to further believe Danny hasn’t really started rebuilding (meaning there will be yet another tear down in a year or 2).

          • Curt Hays

            Yeah, I think your assessment is correct.

            How did RJ shoot poorly in college? His FT% was 88 one season, he set all kinds of GSU scoring records. Maybe he had a low FG% because his coach (his dad) gave him all the shots. His shot looks like Curry to me.

          • bill_nair

            Shot 30% from deep last year but most of what i’ve read was he had the green light and took alot of 3’s and alot of ill-advised threes. Hopefully he can shoot but the initial disgust of the Rozier pick has me discrediting every new Celtic right now.

  • bill_nair

    WE feel for the draft hype?

    WE didn’t take a point guard for the second year in a row.

    WE haven’t used 5 of our last 7 picks on guards.

    Danny and Wyc are spoon feeding us a “winning” culture that resulted in a first round sweep. Some real winners we got over there on the bench.

    I wasn’t going to like this draft no matter what, I always thought it was overhyped. But done blame the fans for being upset you take a player who was probably the 4th best PG available and would have been their at 28.

    • Herman Bubbert

      It just might be that all this fireworks nonsense is designed solely to keep the pocketbooks of the season ticket holders open – and nothing more.

      • bill_nair

        Well I didn’t even want fireworks. I just didn’t want another small guard who cant shoot.

        • Sean McLaughlin

          Yeah, Rozier was definitely my least favorite pick. Maybe Danny knows a team that wants him. Who knows….

  • Sean McLaughlin

    Am I the only one that thinks Jordan Mickey was the best pick out of the 4???

    • bill_nair

      By far our best pick.

    • Herman Bubbert

      Might be, but he has some definite issues.

      • Sean McLaughlin

        Yeah, offensively, but at least he fills a need and a beast on defense despite his small size. I’m an MSU fan, and he’s one of the main reasons they took us out of the tournament. These other picks smell like backups for trading out some of our backcourt. So fireworks in free agency is the hope, I guess…

        • Skibum

          He reminds me of Sean Williams minus all the off court issue’s.

  • wil

    Well, its alot better than giving up a whole lot just top move in the top 10.

    I hope this Rozier is like a Rondo type draft. I guess pressey is gone. Bradley should be traded.

    Atleast we get to see if skinny sully is way better than fat sully.

    • Sean McLaughlin

      Here’s to “skinny sully” returning to OSU form!

    • forever_green

      Rozier is not Rondo, he didn’t even run the offense much.

      • wil

        I meant it from the drafting standpoint. Like how Cs felt strongly about Rondo.

  • Curt Hays

    Considering how many rookie Centers are injury-prone, maybe drafting a big man isn’t the answer anyway. Randle has done nothing, Noel has done nothing, Embiid–nope. AD23 is the lucky pick.

    Danny will save us this Summer.

    • bill_nair

      Noel was pretty dominate last year defensively. Kid will be in the running for DPOY for a good portion of his career (barring injury).

    • Sean McLaughlin

      Yeah, I have to disagree on Noel, Curt. The other two, being injured, haven’t done anything yet, but Noel had a hell of a year last year. I like Smart, but I was psyched at the rumor that we may have traded him for Noel and a pick. I see him becoming an all-start in about 3 years or so if he keeps up his production. Dude can be really dominant.

      • Curt Hays

        You’re right; he did have a good year. He missed his first year, as you know, so that’s what I was thinking of. I was excited the think we’d get him since he has healed.

        But you see my point? Let’s go after big guys that haven’t been injured all the time. No Greg Oden moves for us, please. I’d take him right now though.

        • Sean McLaughlin

          That’s fair.

  • Curt Hays

    Our only #1 pick was in 1950, and our last three picks in the top 3 were: Chauncy Billups, Len Bias, and Kevin McHale.

    Is this just what happens when All You Do Is Win?

  • forever_green

    Finally no excuse for DA? The guy has no plan. We have a sh*t load of mediocre guards and he still doesn’t have a plan.
    The price was to high to move up? Please, you need something you get it.

    • art

      Would love to know what that price was that was too high. Maybe it was Smart plus future #1’s. That would be an example of too high.

  • art

    I was kind of hoping that pick #16 would be Bobby Portis, a guy that is not a guard for once. Weren’t they comparing Bobby’s basketball personality to KG’s? Anyone have an idea why the C’s passed on him? The Bulls are getting high marks for picking him.

    • bill_nair

      I wanted nothing to do with Portis and Dekker before last night but Danny really made me wish we got one of those 2 guys.

      • art

        Why did you want nothing to do with Portis?

    • Mike C

      “Draft hype my ass”! Exactly right, we didn’t have to move anywhere & we could of got Portis! Obviously Ainge didn’t watch the Caveliers playoff run. Would of been helpful to see what an impact Tristan Thompson had for his team. Rebound after rebound after rebound! Chicago absolutely stole Portis at the spot they got him!

      • art

        if Portis turns into something good, that should spell trouble for Danny’s (and all involved) job security. I’ve been reading that Rozier was the highest on the C’s board at pick 16. And some of things that Danny has said leads one to believe that Danny was not thinking clearly during the draft Let’s see how this all plays out before we start calling for heads to roll.

  • Richard Jensen

    Pressey’s on a non-guaranteed deal, Turner’s on a cheap short term deal, Chris Babb’s on a non-guaranteed deal.

    And consider this: Bradley is now more expendable, so you can do a S&T w/Bradley + the Rondo TPE to get Monroe or Love, while signing the other outright in free agency. The C’s can’t sign both outright.

    • bill_nair

      Cant add players to a trade with TPE. Would have to be a two part deal. Neither Monroe or Love would fit in that TPE but im hoping we do use it.

      • Richard Jensen

        Right. Forgot about that. So how’s this sound: Use the Tayshaun Prince TPE to pick up a $5-6M/year guy, and package him and Bradley for Monroe in a S&T. Outgoing salary needs to be what? About $12-13M? to match Monroe’s expected first year salary under a new contract? And with that you still have the Rondo TPE.

        I would like to see the Celts pick up both Monroe & Love; I think they can do it, even though they’d have to pick one up on a S&T.

        I would be gobsmacked if Cleveland paid out $200M for this team, and Kevin O’Connor’s right about Love looking less and less like a HOF guy if he’s stuck behind Kyrie & LeBron for the next 4 years. So if Love leaves, then he either goes to LA, which has no commitment to anything at this point, or Boston, which has a coach that can look him in the eye and explain exactly how he’s going to be used.

        • bill_nair

          I think either Tyshauns or Rondos TPE will just go expired and the other will be utilized. How many players out there are making $12M or less that teams are willing to part and that we SHOULD trade for? Few and far between. I think it will end up being something you proposed, trading for maybe TRob or Bennett but keeping them instead of trading them. I cant see any player we get with either TPE having much value around the league. Id really love to get another young player with some upside in the same situation as Zeller and ET.

          I want nothing to do with Monroe but wouldn’t be mad at getting him. But Danny needs to move either KO or Sully soon cause that frontline would be disastrous. Same goes for a Love/Monroe front line.

          Im all for going in on Love. I think hes best suited as a #2 guy but he fits in well as this teams number 1 guy til we get him. My issue with Love is his attitude. Who’s to say a couple bad years in Boston or a few trade rumors doesn’t send him running? He just doesn’t seem like a committed guy. The situation is fascinating though. I cant see him leaving Cleveland but I think there’s definitely something brewing along those lines.

          And let me thank you for giving me the conversation to type this all and forget about the draft for a little. Now back to my depression.

          • Richard Jensen

            Perhaps its ‘traditionalist’ me that says the C’s can’t do “Center by committee” and win, so you have to have a definite #1 C that can do at least one thing exceptionally well. Heck, maybe it is Brook Lopez & defense instead of Greg Monroe & offense. I’m open to persuasion on the subject.

            W/Love, I think a lack of consistency is a major issue in how he’s come across. There was no consistency in Minnesota aside from them being atrocious, and that year in Cleveland was all over the map.

            Not to mention, LeBron seems to have done a “Dream Team 2” thing w/Love, recruiting him even though it was absolutely not in Cleveland’s best interests to trade that much and pay that much for Love only to utilize him to the same extent as a competent PF that could have been picked up for $10-12M/yr.

            I think that, basically, players that are dead-set on having a bad attitude are the only ones that won’t benefit from playing for Stevens. I mean, he’s got to be such a breath of fresh air for guys who have had coaches trying to play head games with them for their entire careers.

            And yeah, no fireworks in the draft, but the C’s have the flexibility to get better a lot of different ways–compare that to the Sixers. It’s draft or nothing for them. Except maybe they can trade Noel.

  • zippittyay

    I woke up yesterday feeling like I was a kid and it was Christmas morning. There were going to be a couple of big, shiny presents under the tree and life as a Celtics fan was going to suddenly get much cheerier.
    I didn’t even want to get out of bed this morning. I felt just like I got really drunk last night and then blew all the rent money at the crackhouse. There is no bright side to what happened last night. OF COURSE the price is high to get into the top 10, but we NEED to get rid of good players and good draft picks to obtain a couple of GREAT ones. Geeeezus Danny, if you can’t trade up, trade down! The absolute stupidest thing in the world to do is to go for the WPA (worst player available) NOT based upon any need we currently have! Unless we are counting on Wallace for some serious minutes, we could have used wing player with some versatility, length and maturity, and heck even a PeeWee Herman hair-doo… Or maybe even a more athletic, powerful lock-down defender at the wing…. or even a guy who was POY and had a PER of about 30 in the SEC? Instead you took the SECOND BEST player off of Rick Pitino’s team?? I want to know the name of every single person in that room that didn’t walk right up to Ainge and slap him silly at the first suggestion of using our 16th pick to select another undersized 2 guard that didn’t think enough of himself to be in Brooklyn at the draft and most people had going in the 2nd round.
    RJ Hunter has bust written all over him. His release is too low and he dips the ball BEFORE his low % shot-put release. He is not either of the Splash Brothers and will struggle mightily getting a decent shot or playing defense in this league. I’m sure if Rozier was such an ideal ‘fit’ (??) for the Celtics, they could have gotten him at 28. Heck, why not draft the BEST player from Louisville while you could and add some much needed toughness and rebounding instead of the deer-in-the-headlights waif you got? Maybe we can convince Pitino to come back after Stevens quits in frustration cuz ya know “WCS ain’t walking through that door..”
    I’ll give you a pass a pass on 33 Danny, he might actually play some meaningful minutes someday. WTF were they thinking at 45?? If you really liked Marcus Thornton or actually knew who he was and was not having a case of early onset alzheimer’s, I’m pretty sure you could have just sent him an invite to camp as the odds of someone else drafting him were next to nil. Why NOT take a chance on Dakari Johnson? He actually has a very good chance to be serviceable big man in this league. Despite defending you, Danny consistently in your draft picks in the past, I am now convinced you just got lucky a few times and you are truly a poor judge of both basketball talent and team needs. I’m going to crawl back under the covers now. Wake me up at next year’s lottery drawing.

    • bill_nair

      I know your pain. I kept telling myself I wouldn’t like this draft just so I wouldn’t get emotionally invested but this was just such a shocker, a straight shot to the gut. There’s like 5 players I didn’t want anything to do with Wednesday that i’d be happy with today.

  • Michael Merriam

    Rozier was a shock, but he’s solid. C’s knew he might not be around at 28 or 33. Landing Hunter & Mickey makes up for taking Rozier so early. There was mention of the Rockets taking Rozier at 18. Would you rather have Sam Dekker? Not me. Bobby Portis maybe, we’ll know more by this time next year or year after that.

    Outside of the top 3, there are no locks in this draft. I’m a Hezonja fan, but I don’t see how we could have gotten to #5. Analysis on WCS at #6 was that he went too high. We were all hoping for Winslow, and disappointed we didn’t get that #9 pick from Charlotte to nab him, but no guarantee he’ll be any better than Jae Crowder.

    It doesn’t really matter what # the C’s drafted Rozier at. They wanted him and got him. Also potentially filled needs with Hunter and Mickey. Would have been great to bring Rakeem Chirstmas in the mix somehow, but not meant to be. Upshaw, Wood, and Holmes were all undrafted, so if we want to bring more bigs into summer league and camp, there’s at least 3 viable options.

  • Cal Cortez

    wow the bruins actually made danny look good-we need smarter sports management