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Your Morning Dump… Where some see fireworks, others see duds

Ben Mark June 1, 2015 Celtics News, The Morning Dump 15 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

After Boston Celtics co-owner Wyc Grousbeck’s promise of “fireworks” last summer resulted in Marcus Smart, James Young and Tyler Zeller, it’s difficult to project exactly what the Celtics can expect from the 2015 offseason.

One extremely smart basketball mind, however, says the Celtics have a shot at making some serious noise, if they decide making noise is worth the price. Grantland’s Zach Lowe — a writer who combines intelligent basketball analysis with excellent sourcing — said on his podcast “The Lowe Post” on Friday that the Celtics could make moves for several top players this summer.

“I think there are a couple of star players that are potentially gettable for them that they’ll have to make some interesting ‘How all in do we want to go?’ decisions,” Lowe said in a conversation with SB Nation’s Paul Flannery. “…They are going to swing for the fences again.”

It’s important to note that Lowe was speculating, but he’s also very plugged in. If he believes the Celtics have a shot at getting a star, it’s noteworthy.

Masslive.com – Boston Celtics free agency rumors 2015: Star players’ ‘potentially gettable’ for Celtics per Zach Lowe

A star player is ‘potentially gettable’ according to Zach Lowe. A Lamborghini is ‘potentially gettable’ on my teacher’s salary, but you don’t see me getting too excited. It’s nice to hear a reputable, NBA source (if you don’t read Zach Lowe on Grantland every week, you should. He’s excellent) place decent odds on the Celtics making some noise this off-season, but let me quickly jump to page two, where if Zach Lowe is Kendrick Lamar, Steve Bulpett is the woman in his life that is killing his vibe.

On page 2, Thanks Steve

Cavaliers forward Kevin Love has the opportunity to opt out of his contract with the Cavaliers this offseason and test the free-agent waters, which could open the door for the Boston Celtics to pursue the power forward.

But on Sports Sunday, the Boston Herald’s Steve Bulpett poured cold water on the Love rumors before they kick into overdrive again this year.

“I don’t think it’s going to happen,” said Bulpett. “I think it’s most likely he stays in Cleveland. Kevin Love has got injury issues beyond the shoulder, he’s got knee issues. He’s looking to get a big contract and lock himself in and I’m not sure it’s going to be here.

“[The Celtics] wanted him last year badly because they had [Rajon] Rondo. They had an All-Star to go with him. Now you’ve got young guys that have to develop alongside him. Would he be the cornerstone guy? When you can put two All-Stars together in the Eastern Conference, then you can start looking at perhaps putting some people around them. I think the Celtics are in a different position than they were last year with Rondo.”

CSNNE – Steve Bulpett on Kevin Love: Boston Celtics in different position this year

Bulpett isn’t talking about the free agency class at large, but Love is one of the few impact free agents that keeps getting linked to the Cs in little more than speculative fashion. He may as well be talking about the entire class of free agents. When Zach Lowe speculates on the Celtics chances of landing a star, he’s doing so within the context of the entire league. There are 29 other teams that to varying degrees will be in on the same group of players the Celtics target.

Sometimes, we as fans get so caught up in the case for players coming to the Cs that we view free agency in a very myopic, Celtic-centered way. Why wouldn’t Kevin Love, or Tobias Harris, or LaMarcus Aldridge want to come play for us? Um, well, because they could play and make money in 29 other places. That’s why.

The case for the Celtics being a destination for a star player, however, is very legitimate. If you were to make free agent destination power rankings (Bleacher Report is salivating at that idea), the Celtics would have to be in the top ten, and I think I’m being objective with that assertion.

The arguments for:

Get out of the Western Conference! Good luck winning in the playoffs with consistency in that steel cage of a conference. Sure, IF your “title-contending” team even gets into the playoffs, the most you’re guaranteed is a juicy first-round playoff series that scores high ratings against another “title-contending” team. Then, if you lose? No one remembers you! That Spurs-Clippers series was great, huh? Guess what? No one is talking about it anymore because it happened in the FIRST-ROUND! Come to the east, bring your cache as a star player, and we can build a team around you that makes us instant conference champion contenders in the Conference of LeBron. At some point, megastars are going to stop signing in LA and Texas IF they care about winning. The East is the land of opportunity. Reverse Manifest Destiny, NBA stars!

The 2016 Draft: Come to Boston this year, contend in the East and then watch Danny Ainge make real fireworks go off when he potentially has four first round draft picks in next year’s draft. The odds of Brooklyn’s pick being a low-lottery pick, Dallas’s pick being a low-lottery/mid-teens pick, Minnesota maybe dropping out of the top 12 and then the Celtics pick being high-teens, are pretty good. If you, star player, come to Boston, Danny won’t use all of those picks. He’ll package them to acquire proven talent to put around you. You’ll go from a Top 4 team in the East, to co-favorites with Cleveland for the 2016-2017 season. If your goal is to play in the Finals on this next contract, the Celtics are in a position to make that happen.

Other Factors: The coach, the young overachieving roster, the rabid fan base that loves its stars… you’ve heard them all.

The arguments against summed up into one tidy little factor for the sake of keeping this short:

NBA stars don’t think this way: Money, warm weather, tax-free states, an established superstar already in place. The Celtics can offer only the first attraction on this list, and even they can’t offer the amount of money that a player’s current squad can dole out. The question becomes, can an NBA player see the forest through the trees? Can they make a smart, long-term business decision? Because any list of free agency destinations has Boston right up at the top if the metrics include long-term, championship prospects. If players aren’t willing to do that, if they aren’t willing to listen? All of this speculation won’t matter, and we as fans will have gotten fooled for a second straight year.

The Rest of the Links:

ESPNBoston- Draft Notebook: Stevens catches up, C’s consider a stash

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  • Paul

    Offseason moves I hope they make:

    1 – Trade G.Wallace and a 1st round pick for David Lee. Who says no? GS NEEDS to trade Lee and Lee is going into the final year of his deal and needs to raise his stock. Who better to showcase his offensive skills than Brad Stevens?

    2 – Sign Wesley Mathews to a 2-year deal with an opt out after one. Again, another guy who needs to showcase his skills one year after coming off an injury and right before the cap jumps up. He’d be great in Steven’s system.

    3 – Hope Kevin Love opts out

    • NE_Celt

      I have thought about David Lee as a possible option too…he used to be one of “the guys” at GS…now he rides the bench most of the time…he is a solid player and would be a good addition I think.

      • jrleftfoot

        How is David Lee at this stage of his career , an improvement over any of the bigs we have?

        • Paul

          He’s offensively better than any bigs we have. He doesn’t solve our defensive problems but if all we’re giving up is Wallace’s terrible deal and one of our many, many picks, why not take a flier on him for one year?

          • GoKingsGoCeltsGoTigersGoNiners

            Hopefully he’ll have championship experience soon to add as well.

          • wil

            he hasnt even played that much this playoffs

        • NE_Celt

          I was thinking his current bench spot was based more on the talent and system GS is using right now, not necessarily a decline in his talent or production. And he is a power forward/center….since we may be losing Bass, he could fill that roster spot. He is on my list of players I wouldn’t mind if better ones cant be had or are available :P

        • adam

          David Lee’s fiance is from Chicopee, MA?

    • Skibum

      1. David Lee is washed up. He is a solid bench player. We have plenty of those.
      2. Mathews is a great player and will get a 3-4 year deal guaranteed in the 8-10 milliion range. Even though Achilles injuries can be tough to bounce back from, he is still relatively young, is a solid two way player and can bang three’s.
      3. Kevin Love can and will stay in Cleveland. He wants the big bucks contract when the new TV deal kicks in anyways.

  • Curt Hays

    I love that states not having a state income tax is publicly known to be part of the consideration. Yes, I’m from Texas. [chest pounding intensifies]

    • jrleftfoot

      That`s why Texas needs more support from the feds than any othewr state. True fact

      • Christopher Jones

        As a transplant Texan (from Springfield, MA) I have this weird feeling that the size of Texas along with the natural disasters such as our recent flooding have attributed to federal support. Massive illegal immigration that the federal government refuses to help out with and calls unconstitutional to have anything done at the state level doesn’t help either. It’s easy to sit in New England and criticize us down here in Texas, but there are bigger issues down here than in Yarmouth Port.

        • Curt Hays

          Hahaha, I wasn’t trying to open up discussion, but since you started it…:-) I haven’t looked it up, and I’m not going to argue with @jrleftfoot:disqus because he’s probably correct. As you pointed out, we have a lot of land area, and there are many other things to point out. But also remember how many military bases we have too.

          The feds MUST spend a lot here because they put so many bases here. All your base are belong to us.

    • forever_green

      I’m from MA now living in CT. [Chest pounding dwindles]

      • Curt Hays

        Nice. I think it’d be really interesting to live in New England. You guys have challenges to face up there. Bad Winter storms, ocean events, historical richness…It never gets boring.

        On the flip side, our Winters are mild. We may have 110 degree weather in the Summer, but that just means bikinis and margaritas on the boat. But, you can’t exactly go sight-seeing in Dallas. Having a large state is nice except for when you want to go anywhere…