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Will the Celtics pursue an Isaiah Thomas for Ty Lawson deal?

Chuck - Red's Army May 5, 2015 Celtics News, Isaiah Thomas, Rumors 18 Comments

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In his latest column, Grantland’s Zach Lowe lays out potential off-season scenarios for those teams recently eliminated from the playoffs. He reiterated the “overpay second tier free agents” plan we’ve heard linked to the Celtics, but also dropped Ty Lawson’s name:

The long-term course remains the same. Boston will target young free agents that fit its rebuilding timetable, and it’ll overpay second-tier guys if that’s what it takes to nab them ahead of the cap spike. Toss some interesting players atop a pile of first-round draft picks, including beauties from Brooklyn and Dallas, and Boston could cobble together an enticing offer to any team with a disgruntled star.

One aside: Boston and Denver discussed Ty Lawson deals before the deadline, and the Nuggets justifiably demanded a high return for a borderline All-Star on a friendly long-term contract. The talks fizzled, and Boston snagged Isaiah Thomas at a cheaper price. The relationship between Lawson and the Nuggets may be souring beyond repair, per the Denver Post, and the Nuggets are now faced with a thinner trade market…

But don’t count out the Celtics just because they have Thomas — a warning that should apply to lots of teams with established starting point guards. Lawson is really good, and Denver’s thinning trade market presents opportunity for a surprise suitor to strike. Denver will need a point guard if it deals Lawson,5 and the Celtics acquired Thomas in part because his cheapo contract is so easy to trade. The Hornets should absolutely gauge how much they’d have to attach to Kemba Walker in order to land Lawson — or whether they could acquire Lawson and flip Walker someplace else for extra goodies.

Lawson – owed about $25 million over the next two years – is more of a pure point guard, but his 3-point shooting dropped to 34% last season. If he comes to Boston, he comes as the starting point guard. What would that mean for Marcus Smart – a permanent back-up role for the next 2 seasons?

I don’t get the sense Denver would take Isaiah Thomas in a straight-up deal. Would Danny Ainge have to throw in a 1st round pick?

I’m lukewarm on this whole scenario. Maybe someone can convince me in the comments.

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  • Justin Quinn

    HEYELLLL NAW. this would be idiotic, given the cost and chemistry we know is there already. if the wins keep coming, esp w new wings and rim protection, there is NO reason to do this, even as a straight-up deal, or even getting a pick for it. should we see grumbles re the role come trade deadline, maybe. until then, it would not even be worth it given improvement would be marginal, esp. when considering both risk and cost.

    • celticpride17

      the celtics need to concetrate on getting a center instead of another piont guard.

  • eddysamson

    Ty Lawson is not what we need. If we’re talking about trading PGs MAYBE Kemba, but really, we’re pretty solid at PG at all 3 levels, Starter, 1st Bench, 2nd Bench with Smart, IT, and Pressey. Our off season moves need to address the 5 and the 3 spots, the 1 is probably at the bottom of our list of needs.

    • Justin Quinn

      i could see that, but as a lifelong uconn fan, i think it4 is the better fit.

      • Curt Hays

        What about Bradley and Smart for Kemba? Probably not worth it. Depends on who else we got. Now…if we got big Al…

        • Justin Quinn

          we *had* big al. we don’t need a waning center (or at any position) with chronic health issues. we need max-ish star power at wing, and max to mid level rim protection, and we’ll contend. crowder is a keeper, but he needs about 2 years to be all star-level, and zeller fills an active, range-y big role well too, but deadly volume scoring from the wing and an eraser are all this roster needs to compete for 18. we have a glut at pf & guard (KO or sully are prob gone by jan, and evan almost certainly will be too), let’s not get weird…or pick up other people’s problems. kemba might be a good fit, but he’s also a lateral move (w dif skills but still) from IT4. lateral moves can kill chemistry. so can (seemingly) upward ones, but at least it’s worth the risk.

          • Curt Hays

            I’m saying we KEEP IT4. Deal Bradley and Smart for Kemba and Al. Al is better than KG right now. Better than Shaq was for us. He’d be the best 2nd string Center in the league!

            Your analysis is spot-on though.

          • Justin Quinn

            thanks. in that context it would make a little more sense, but it would still be a bad fit overall, imo…and while i like al’s skillset, i think he’s going to see a steep decline in the next few years…if not already. give me WCS or nerlens if i have to ship out promising young ball defenders.

  • fannak

    What did the dallas pick turn out to be? Anyone know where/when/ and what the pick is?

    • MJ

      We won’t know til next year. The pick was double-protected this year which meant the only the Celtics would have had it was if dallas missed the playoffs. Next year the Celtics will have the pick as long as it remains outside the top 7 in the draft.

  • fannak

    Also, I remember reading that Danny had been after IT for a long time. I don’t think he will be moved

  • MJ

    My best guess is the Celtics would only trade for Lawson to use him as an asset for DMC. Otherwise it wouldn’t make any sense unless the Celtics are in for some major re-tooling this summer.

  • Erik Willis

    No thank you. IT is the ideal bench player and this would mess with that chemistry bringing in a player who isnt interested in being a bench player.

  • Adam Stark

    I think the only way I would want Lawson is either to trade for DMC or trade Bradley and a 1st for Lawson and play Smart at the 2. Still a 3 guard rotation. Though a at times there will be Lawson and Thomas out there at the same time and the defence would be terrible.

  • adam

    HEEEELLL NO. Keep Isaiah Thomas. Never thought I’d say that. Chemistry is there, Thomas is about the same height and younger. I think Thomas’s numbers were better also. IT helped turn this team into what it is!

  • Frank Aziza

    Really? We aren’t solid anywhere except a sixth man in IT. Marcus Smart has great potential as a combo guard. Bradley is an undersized shooting guard that is very streaky at best. Bradley could help a contender coming off the bench to change a game with his on ball dee and a few corner threes and back door cuts. Crowder could help a contender as a role player. Zeller has room to grow. But our roster doesn’t have one player that could start on 14 of the 16 playoff teams.

  • wil

    Ty would be great in the starting unit but AB would have to go. I think Danny is just acquiring more assets to trade for maybe DMC.

  • CelticsBIG3

    Not going to happen.