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Your Morning Dump… Where the Celtics are a group of assets more than they are a team

Ben Mark January 5, 2015 The Morning Dump 41 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump

These are strange days around the Celtics. Uneasy days, to some degree.

While the players struggle to improve on the fly and the coaches try to mold a rotation given more options from three players acquired two and a half weeks ago, there is the clear expectation that more shoes will be dropping.

The Celts have been in rebuilding mode since the summer of 2013, with changes always a possibility. But when Rajon Rondo was sent to Dallas, the last fading, hanging-by-a-thread, pretty-sure-it-wasn’t-going-to-happen-anyway hope of adding an impact player and building on what’s already here was removed.

The players knew there were going to be moves anyway, but now that the reconstruction is going to be more thorough, a roster that was already in flux has become even more so.

“I think so,” veteran Gerald Wallace said. “That’s a clear sign. Once Rondo was gone, then you know it’s really a rebuilding process.

“Everybody’s gone from that 2008 championship team, so now it’s a new beginning. I think it’s an evaluation for not only the rookies but everybody, as far as managing the rotation and playing time.”

Boston Herald – Rebuild remains work in progress

Now that Rajon Rondo is gone, has had his homecoming and the dust has settled, it’s time to ask the question: What are the Boston Celtics, exactly? As a fan, what, and who are you rooting for? Still pulling for Jeff Green to be aggressive, find consistency in his offensive game? Because there’s a pretty good chance that development in his game will come to fruition in another city and on another team. Looking for Jared Sullinger and/or Kelly Olynyk to develop and refine their offensive games and become go-to scoring options on a nightly basis? Of course. But by doing so, it makes either player a far more desirable centerpiece in a blockbuster trade.

The Celtics are a tenuous group of 15, serviceable, NBA parts (yes, maybe even you, Gerald Wallace). What that means is anybody’s best guess. It seems completely absurd and inconceivable, then, that this assemblage of assets is only 2 games out of the 8th spot in the playoffs. True, that probably says more about the state of the east than it does about the Celtics’ performance to date, but a team without much of a direction and one void of a star player is outperforming conference foes who should ostensibly be looking down at Boston in the standings.

The Knicks wanted to contend coming into the year, as did everyone’s trendy playoff pick, Detroit. Charlotte has an all-star big man and approached free agency this past summer like a team looking to stay in the top-eight of the conference. All three of those teams are below the Celtics in the standings.

What are the Celtics, exactly? Hell if know. But during these “uneasy” days, I’ll take a moment to tip my cap to this assemblage of parts and the coach who has to get them to play with a sense of purpose each night. Five years from now Celtics fans probably won’t talk about the 2014-15 team, so might as well pay my respects now, because who knows what they’ll look like come mid February.

On page 2, Brad Stevens is Jim Mora Lite

[…]

it’s not completely crazy that head coach Brad Stevens fielded a question about the p-word. A reporter wanted to know if Stevens thinks the Celtics can compete for a postseason berth.

“Yeah,” Stevens said Saturday at the United Center. “I’m going to approach every single day with that mindset. And I think the biggest thing is not too look at it necessarily from what’s 52 games away, but look at it as how do we become the best team that we can be? For me it’s identifying where we stand right now statistically – really black and white – in the rankings of some key categories, and seeing if we can’t rise up in that. And being able to judge ourselves that way.

Mass Live – Brad Stevens on whether Boston Celtics can make playoffs: ‘I’m going to approach every single day with that mindset’

It can’t be easy being Brad Stevens right now. He has new roster additions to integrate and juggle while he waits for Danny Ainge to make a subsequent move, and his team is nine games under .500 without a discernible go-to player. Even with all of that uncertainty and less-than-mediocrity, his club is right in the thick of the playoff race.

Stevens is saying the right thing and taking the right approach, but it’s hard to know if he can get players to adopt his mindset when trade rumors swirl and when the Cs are equidistant from the bottom five of the lottery to the eighth spot in the conference. The Cs next three games are against teams hovering in basketball purgatory alongside and we may have a good idea as to whether Stevens’ approach is a realistic one by the end of the week.

And Finally… Celtics ‘keeping tabs’ on DeAndre Kane

The Boston Celtics are among a handful of teams reportedly interested in former Iowa State star DeAndre Kane.

[…]

Undrafted in last year’s NBA draft, Kane plays for the Antwerp Giants of the Belgium League where he’s averaging 14 points, 5.7 rebounds and five assists in EuroChallenge play.

As a senior at Iowa State, Kane averaged 17.1 points, 6.8 rebounds and 5.9 assists while appearing in 36 games.

CSNNE – Report: Celtics interest in DeAndre Kane

Kane was part of a deep and talented Cyclones squad that lost to UConn in the sweet sixteen last spring. After a quiet stint with the Lakers in summer league play, he looks to duplicating his college numbers overseas. Every once in a while in the NBA a player comes out of obscurity to carve out a role in a rotation. Maybe Kane can be one of those guys.

Here are highlights from Kane’s best college game, so that you can get irrationally excited/intrigued along with me.

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  • Jester00

    Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

    • Curt Hays

      Thanks, Homer.

  • eddysamson

    I know people like to talk about our fans and how we support the team through everything but…come on. I was guaranteed going to buy a ticket and make the 4 hour trip down there to see a game this season. That is until Ainge decided to trade Rondo. I now have zero motivation to see a game in person, and I barely have any at all to even watch them on TV. I just can’t get psyched for a team of stop gaps.

    Think about this for a second here…the ONLY non-rookie guaranteed to be on the Celtics in the future is freaking Avery Bradley. I used to be a HUGE supporter for him, but now I hate him. His defense has gone significantly downhill, his fouls are up, and you can’t count on him offensively. I expect him to miss when he shoots.

    So now we’ve got AB, some rookies, and a team of assets. Literally the ONLY reason to watch right now is to watch our rookies and we f’ing refuse to play one of them! WHAT THE HELL! Ugh this season is frustrating, I’m having a harder time being motivated to watch games than I was last season.

    • Sean McLaughlin

      I’m still watching, but I totally understand the sentiment. Even if we do pull a decent free agent this upcoming summer it’s not going to be enough to vault us into contention now. Bringing back the sad old days. :-/

      • eddysamson

        Its not even that I’m not watching because they’re bad. Its more to avoid growing attached to someone while the team is so volatile. If the team was bad and yet filled with our future players working to get better I’d be really interested in watching and seeing how things develop (last year was a good example of this, I watched most games). But no our future players are now Smart, AB, and Young. Sully + KO I don’t count because they are highly likely to be traded or let go in FA if they don’t improve (lets be honest these guys are still far too inconsistent)

        So now I’m left to watch AB who apparently sucks on both sides now, Smart, and …no one since Young isn’t playing.

        • Curt Hays

          Exactly the reason I don’t watch as much. I know all the players I like will just be traded away.

          • eddysamson

            I was completely 100% psyched for the season until the Rondo trade. Total wrench in the gears. We were a top THREE offense with him and practically no one else. We were going to the playoffs even as a bad seed! AND on top of all that it seemed like we were just plain closer to being done with the rebuild. Now? Who the F knows! Could take us 5 years to get back to even the playoffs!

          • Mike C

            I was just thinking the exact same thing! However long our rebuild was set to take, it just ‘Doubled’ with that Rondo trade. @RedsArmy staff, lets have a poll so we can vote how many years the fans think it will take to rebuild the Celtics (3-4 years, 5-7 years, etc.)

          • Sean McLaughlin

            Yeah, he kinda tied the room together, to quote some stoner… :-/

          • forever_green

            Remember now Curt, don’t go back to trusting that DA guy. I knew he couldn’t be trusted the day he let TA walk because of one extra year at a bargain.

          • Curt Hays

            I’m glad to know so many of you understand MY position on all this.

            @forever_green:disqus, @eddysamson:disqus, @kgino:disqus, @disqus_o7d6plzlLq:disqus, @disqus_taL0WwtARn:disqus

          • KGino

            Only player i’m really attached to is Smart… I spend stretches of games just watching him and only him play defense. The best parts of the season have been and will continue to be when Smart has his little outbursts where he goes 7-8 minutes of playing the best defense of any guard in the league and starts banging down 3’s on the other end. It’s happened maybe 4 times this season, Wizards OT game comes to mind but I forget which others.

            And even when I do grow attached, it’s not all bad with a trade. I like watching the wizards and mavs now for example, wouldn’t have watched them before our C’s came. Still root for Perk and Big Al and KG and Rondo and Pierce and I feel like it changes your perception of other random players too like Bayless or Humph, never liked those guys before, don’t dislike either other anymore

          • Curt Hays

            I’m totally with you. Of course I watch the Mavs, I get too many free tickets not to, and the Wizards are really fun. I love watching Humphries and Gortat. I still love watching Perk, Big Baby, Courtney Lee, and Big Al. I feel like they’re old friends. I also miss watching Delonte. He should still be a Mav.

    • Mike C

      Agreed,…its hard to believe, but this season is harder to watch than last season! Once a team trades away an All-Star point guard for peanuts, there’s very little to get excited about.

      • zapatatio

        Red would NEVER have traded Rondo, KG, The Truth, or Perk.
        Clueless ainge has NO understanding of Celtics heart and Celtics loyalty. Fire ainge!

        • Mike C

          Totally Agree! The sooner that Idiot gets kicked out the door, the better it will be for the entire franchise from that day forward!

          • zapatatio

            Yes, it was the great Kevin Mchale who said ainge was the kind of guy who on another team would have been considered an a..hole. But, as a Celtic, they put up with him.

        • bob

          I totally disagree! Ainge has collected a lot of good players. (not great) and assets. Now Stevens need to develop them into a team. Steven’s job, with all the changes made by Ainge, has been an impossibility. Is he in over his head? He doesn’t seem to have a clue. On the other hand, he seems smart enough to figure it out. If Ainge can add a good 7ft rim protector by the trading deadline, then they can compete in the play-offs. If he can’t, then we will have to see what splash he makes this summer. Ainge is an idiot? Who acquired Rondo, KG, The Truth, and Perk? Is he suppose to pull off more awesome trades when other teams aren’t interested? Anyone that thinks Ainge is an idiot or should be fired is clueless about what Ainge is doing. He has made moves that were mistakes (letting Perkins go too soon, drafting Fabio Melo) but he has made plenty of smart moves. Celtics have too many players to give minutes to and should keep those that can defend.
          Go Celtics!

          • zapatatio

            whoa! Completely. totally disagree. Clueless, idiot, ainge did bring Rondo, Perk. KG, and The Truth, on board. But, then the heartless fool dissed them, and traded them; unforgivable!
            Now, stupid ainge continues with his terrible treatment of Celtics warrior Jeff Green.
            Long overdue, Fire ainge!!!

          • bob

            You think Ainge was crazy to trade KG, Terry and Pierce to NJ for the draft picks you don’t even know what will yield to the Celtics? How well did that work for NJ? Wallace will be an attractive expiring contract and the trade exceptions and draft picks will buy whatever Ainge wants BEFORE next season starts. Okarfor sure will look good in green if he sets up the right trade for him. You like old-timers? Ainge is building for the future not for the present. Try to understand that. Everybody loves Smart, Young and Sully. Where did they come from? Zeller is doing well. What did they give up for him? What did they give up for Evan Turner?Who are you going to replace Ainge with?
            Please at least answer the last question.

          • zapatatio

            Okay, first, we both love the Celtics; and want a great team/ banner 18, and more. All good, but there are major differences on how. Been a player, coach, and teacher all my days, going way back to Red, Russ, Couz, and Tommy.
            Ways that instil great team chemistry are older players/old timers, working with younger guys.
            Two all time great heart guys, The Truth and KG would have been perfect in that mentoring role. That IS building the future from within; but ainge cannot see it.
            Draft picks are always a gamble; guys with proven heart are sure things. Maybe its good ainge has so many picks, caz i think he is lousy at it.
            Zeller for sure is good; Turner, hope so.
            Replacement for ainge. “Big Red”; first choice, nobody played with more heart; is working with Celtics already. Just bump big Dave up. #2 Cornbread; again played with great heart, and knows Celtics spirit!
            Siempre, Go Celtics!!!

          • bob

            Thanks for your decent post. Don’t know where to start. I think I am a little more optimistic. Pierce loved to drive to the basket and get fouled. That was the way he played. And he made most of his free throws. He didn’t pay enough attention to the other players that were open until Garnett came along and Garnett helped him to be a better team player with sharing the ball. Leadership? Maybe not. Garnett, maybe. Teaching Pierce’s way of playing takes five minutes. Before Ainge traded for Garnett and Allen. he didn’t have much of a team. When he finally traded them with Terry they were all getting older and less effective. Pierce was not a great closer at the end of games like Kobe or some others. (Think-Young) and he had as many turnovers as assists. Good time to trade them. Wallace has been a team leader in the locker room.

            Garnett is close to retiring. The THREE draft picks they got from the Nets might be in the mid teens, (valuable). I TOTALLY agree that the team needs some on court “senior” leadership. (Nelson?) I like Nelson and the players they got from Dallas. Ainge has done a great job stock-piling tons of assets while keeping under the salary cap.and he will prove one of us right and one of us wrong about how well he is doing building a team. Big Red? Dave? Cornbread? Who knows? I believe that Ainge is better than the average President of Basketball Operations and is easily criticized for his mistakes and weaknesses. But to call him a clueless idiot reflects a lack of understanding of what he has achieved and is working on. I don’t agree that he is a genius, but I respect what he has done and is doing. Thanks for your response.

    • KGino

      I made this comment the other day that the Celtics are just a random group of guys to me right now and I need SOMEONE on the team to inspire me again…Hoping it would be Smart. Still hoping….

      But i would advise you to go to a game Eddy. I was able to go to the Kings/Mavs games back to back last week, and it definitely rekindled a little spark for watching them for me. The crowds are still pretty electric considering the team. (It also helps that I was able to move up to the 3rd row, but you can too if you wanted).

      Also, got to see Jae Crowder live… Who I wasn’t a fan of before seeing him play live 2 games in a row. I was originally calling him Marquis 2.0 because of the dreads and his lackluster game. But the kid plays hard & hustles, and after the game addressed the crowd gushing over how great the Boston fans are, basically laughing at how good the crowd is bc the C’s aren’t good, and then yelled Happy New Year in the mic wicked goofy and ran away. The dude was funny and I never would have known if not for going to the game… Now I root for Jae Crowder lol.

      Also, cherish every home game on TV… Tommy is the funniest and most biased announcer in the league and you gotta love it. He won’t be around forever.

      • forever_green

        Gotta give you a Tommy point.

      • eddysamson

        I actually almost mentioned Crowder as someone who might be worth watching but I wasn’t sure about him yet. Glad to hear that.

    • Coolrapquote

      man, I guess I’m the minority in this. Because the way Rondo just gave up on the Celtics was keeping me from watching games. I was not big on tuning into games and watching Rondo stat pad triple doubles. He wasn’t attacking the basket, he gave up on free throw shooting. towards the end of the pp kg era, his shooting was starting to improve noticeably. When he’d put up jumpers, i was starting to become confident that they would fall. Then he gave up on improving his shooting. And he just stopped playing defense almost completely. I personally saw no fun in watching some guy ball hog and stat pad his triple doubles. I’m good.

  • RedsLoveChild

    The real problem here is not the Celtics…it`s the NBA.
    The NBA is dealing with a severe talent shortage. There is not nearly enough talent to stock 15 NBA teams, let alone 30!! The system is broken beyond repair.

    When a team as badly flawed as GS has a record of 26-5, that`s a problem.
    Same with Toronto, Atlanta, Chicago, LA Clips….compared to teams of other eras, they all suck!

    How can a team rebuild when even the draft primarily produces garbage?
    Amongst rookies, only Wiggins and Parker are averaging over 9 PPG, and just barely. Wiggins is shooting under 42%, and both are under 70% from the FT line.

    As for other rookies NBA fans were salivating over just months ago :
    Exum is averaging 5 PPG with a .391 FG%….McDermott is shooting the lights out at .423%….Vonieh is scoring 2 PPG with a .400FG%….Aaron Gordon is scoring 5.8 PPG…Noel is scoring 7 PPG with a .417 FG%

    • zippittyay

      The level of talent in the NBA goes up every year. If you dont believe me, go watch some 20 year old game tapes. Your rookie stats even back me up on that.

      • Brad P

        You guys are both right in a way. Players should really get some more college years under their belt instead, I think it’d solve some problems

    • eddysamson

      I partially agree. I think there is a talent shortage but its not in general across the league, its more of a positional thing. Also a fundamentals thing. Like Kobe recently said AAU is producing crap athletes balling on pure physical prowess and barely any skills or fundamentals.

      So basically we’ve got more than enough PGs and PFs but not enough SGs and Cs. And then when you look at something like the PFs (and Cs) their post skills are lacking. Or SGs ball handling skills are lacking and they’re limited to catch and shoot or cuts.

      I think the rookie stats are usually like that with rare exceptions for exceptional talent (Kobe, KG, Lebron, etc). Dirk’s rookie year stats were almost identical to Kelly Olynyk’s who didn’t exactly blow the basketball world up last year.

      • Curt Hays

        How dare you list Kobe before KG!

      • Coolrapquote

        I completely agree with you. I was listening to a pod cast today where Bill Simmons was saying that the majority of basketball nowadays is just the reliance of one guy attacking the paint and if nothing is there, kicking it out to a bunch of three point shooters. this might be the most true with the celtics. All of our bigs for the most part shoot threes. That’s a terrible recipe for success. One of my friends told me about 2 years back that AAU ball is going to change the NBA for the worst. I didn’t think about how true that might have been at the time. But it’s starting to sound pretty probable. Kobe is right.

    • wil

      Another thing might be the number of games and not enough practice time. The importance of each game and the time to prepare is whats lacking. NBA relies too much on star power rather than being a well prepared and coached team like the spurs.

    • bob

      Thanks so much for the time you saved me as I was considering researching the progress of the draft picks. Why these media writers didn’t do that already is beyond me. Nice post!

      • RedsLoveChild

        Thanks

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