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Dividing Minutes between the Celtics Frontcourt

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Brad Stevens is going to have some difficult decisions to make regarding his frontcourt rotations this season. The Celtics have four players (five if you include Jeff Green) who currently deserve significant minutes and Vitor Faverani is on his way back from injury, and rookie Dwight Powell who will most likely spend the majority of the season in the D-league.

Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk are the Celtics young building blocks up front, and the two have both played well to start the season. Tyler Zeller is another young big who has impressed in his time as a Celtic thus far. To start the year, Zeller is 25/30 from the floor. Finally, Brandon Bass is the only veteran presence in the Celtics frontcourt. Bass is a proven commodity who has been with the team since 2011. Bass finished last night with a season high 23 points on 9 of 13 shooting, playing a total of 32 minutes to lead all Celtics frontcourt players.

Brad Stevens is struggling to divide the 96 total frontcourt minutes among these four players, as all have made their cases for playing time. Many believe Zeller should see more playing time. That is easier said than done. If you want Zeller to get more minutes, who are you taking out? Would you play Jeff Green only at small forward to leave more minutes to divide between the four bigs, even if Green can create significant mismatches playing the four? These are not easy questions to answer, and they will become even harder with the return of Faverani. Let’s take a look at how Brad Stevens has divided the minutes, on average, so far, and then discuss who should play.

How the Minutes Have Been Divided Thus Far

Brad Stevens has 96 minutes to work with between his two post positions. So far, Jared Sullinger is playing 30 minutes per game, Olynyk 26 minutes per game, Bass 18 minutes, and Zeller 14 minutes. The remaining minutes have been taken up by moving Jeff Green to the power forward position.

All four post players have been effective in their minutes. Sullinger is arguably the Celtics most important player not named Rajon Rondo. Olynyk is averaging over 12 points per game while shooting 58% from the floor, and is currently the Celtics best three point shooter at 44%. Bass is one of the few proven players Boston has. The Celtics know exactly what they will get each time Bass is on the floor, and he has done well with his minutes this year. Zeller has been the surprise, but he has certainly made his case to play as well. Jeff Green is effective at the 4 spot for short periods of time because he can create mismatches. It is difficult for most power forwards to stay with someone as athletic as Green. Faverani will get minutes at some point this year, as the Celtics would be wise to see what they have in the Brazilian big man. While showing flashes last season, Faverani remains an unknown for the most part.

How Should the Minutes Be Divided

First off, I do not think we will be seeing too much of Jeff Green at the 4. The Celtics are deep in the frontcourt and the backcourt, but they are not particularly deep on the wing. Green will play the majority of the minutes at small forward, with Evan Turner and other 3 guard lineups making up the difference, especially with the post players playing so effectively.

Jared Sullinger is locked in at 30-32 minutes a game, and this may not even be enough. The Celtics offense scores 11 more points per 100 possessions with Sullinger on the floor than with him off, while opponents score 5 less per 100 possessions with Sully on the floor. Both of these stats lead the team. Remember, this is a guy who shot the lights out in the preseason but has struggled so far this year. If he could up his 3 point percentage to somewhere in the mid-30s, his production could increase quite a bit more. So let’s pencil Sullinger in for his average of 30 minutes, although I would not be surprised to see those minutes increase slightly.

Kelly Olynyk has taken significant strides in his development this season, as many expected he would. He has been an offensive weapon for the Celtics with his outside shooting, and has shown the ability to shot-fake and drive to the basket. He may be averaging more minutes if it were not for foul trouble in a few games. Saying this, I expect Olynyk to get into foul trouble due to his current lack of strength. Until he gets stronger, expect opposing teams to go right at him to start games. Furthermore, Zeller provides a little bit more rim protection than Olynyk. Let’s keep Kelly around his average of 25 minutes as well, giving us a total of 55 minutes between the starting frontcourt.

If the remaining minutes were split down the middle, Bass and Zeller would each get around 20 minutes per game, maybe less if Green plays the 4 for a stretch of the game. However, I’m in favor of giving a few more minutes to Zeller over Bass. Here’s why.

Zeller provides an inside presence on both ends of the floor that no one else on the Celtics roster can replicate. Offensively, he fits this Celtics team like a glove. He runs the floor very well for a big, and rolls hard to the rim. Olynyk and Bass are primarily pick and pop guys, while Sullinger does a little bit of both. It is important to have a guy on the floor that can roll hard to the rim off the pick and roll. The defense will have to respect Zeller rolling and collapse, opening up shots for shooters. If the defense fails to collapse, Rajon Rondo will hit Zeller on the roll for an easy 2 or a foul, as he has done numerous times this year.

While Zeller is not an elite rim protector, he is the closest thing Boston has to one. Brandon Bass’ athletic ability makes him a good defender, but he simply cannot protect the rim the same way Zeller can with his size. Defense is becoming more and more important for a Celtics team that has struggled on that end of the court so far. A few more minutes of rim protection could be the difference in the game.

I’d like to see the Celtics go with a Sullinger Zeller pairing more often, as this lineup has been very effective thus far. As the season moves along, I would not be surprised to see Zeller getting closer to 20 minutes per game at the expense of Bass and Olynyk.

These are the types of difficult decisions a coach has to make. Certainly, Zeller and Bass both deserve more minutes based on their play, but at whose expense? Many people (myself included) would like to see Green play the 4 spot more, but this means playing 1 of the post players less and playing a guy like Evan Turner more at the 3. I’d rather Zeller or Bass be on the court than Turner, so Green stays at the 3 for the most part. Zeller’s skills are the most unique of the bench, and that is why I think he deserves more minutes. But I’m not the one who has to tell Brandon Bass, an established veteran, why he is playing 10-15 minutes less than he did last year when he has been an effective player in his role. Stevens faces a lot of tough decisions regarding the frontcourt, especially when Faverani comes back. Something will have to give, and it will be very interesting to see whose minutes take a fall.

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  • bill_nair

    Zeller should start. Not that I think it will improve the D but giving him more minutes with Rondo should help increase his scoring output. The Zeller/Rondo pair has been eerily similar to Rondo/Wilcox (minus the alley oops. Man Rondo through alot of oops to Wilcox).

    • Geoff Simpson

      I’m surprised at how many people agree with you that Zeller should start. There are a lot of Celtics fans who think that. Is Zeller>Olynyk in your opinion?

      • Curt Hays

        Zeller and Kelly have different roles. Sully and Kelly both need to have someone on the court who is bigger than they are. Kelly is a unique animal. He’s a match up nightmare, but on defense he is a liability due to his size/playing style. With him on the court at the same time as Sully, you have rebounding, but you still don’t really have that defensive threat that keeps teams from doing what they want.

        • bill_nair

          This is pretty much what I wanted to say but Curt did it in a lot less words lol. Sully and KO are both PF’s, id rather see them play it (with the occasional KO/Sully lineups to close games).

          • Curt Hays

            Hahaha. Thanks, Bill. It is pretty satisfying to see that 7-foot young man put the ball on the floor then euro step to the hoop around previously disbelieving defenders. It’s even better for me since I bought his jersey before he played a single minute of regular season ball.

          • bill_nair

            Haha it’s hard not to root for them when you buy their jersey. I still root for Ricky Davis (yes I still have a mint condition Ricky Davis celtics jersey, don’t judge me).

          • Curt Hays

            You know who we should sign for a vet presence??

            The White Mamba.

      • bill_nair

        No I don’t think Zeller is better than Olynyk, but its not like Olynyk is a center or playing great at it. I think KO playing the 5 has hurt him a little bit both in confidence and defensively. I blame alot of his ticky tacky fouls on him playing outta position and just getting bullied around. Zeller is a better Center than KO and im old school, so id rather us play a 5 at the 5 (if only for a few games).

        Since were rebuilding were better off improving players value/stats and trading them off. Zeller, let him start so he gets a few more minutes (more specifically with Rondo), score a few more points and grab a few more boards and maybe get something useful out of him. If anything we’ll figure out if it improves our defense, and at this point we need to do anything that improves it.

        KO is likely going to come off the bench for the C’s as long as Sully is here. Until KO plays his way into the starting PF spot let him play the McHale role off the bench. Give him unlimited shots and let him play the high post and dictate the offense when hes in the game.

        • Curt Hays

          I’m with you here. The fouls on Kelly early on were either ticky tack or he wasn’t hustling. I think that will improve.

          I feel like, with Zeller, we are getting a second chance at seeing Rondo make a no-name into a household name (since Danny let Steimsma go…he got that payday because of Rondo).

          KO could be the Sixth Man of the Year if he gets comfy. Imagine a second string with Smart and Kelly…wow, I am liking this team. DO NOT TRADE RONDO.

      • wil

        KO is a better player than Zeller.

        But moving Zeller to the starting line up, helps two guys. Rondo and Sully, Takes a load off Sully and gives Rondo a high percentage option which matches his play style well.

        KO to the bench gives him mores shots and being the focal point of the offense.

        What im concerned more about right now is that AB is pretty much dead weight.

        When he cant shoot he cant do anything else. Cant feel ABs defense anymore. He cant guard shooting guards. He makes terrible decisions when he has the ball.

  • Curt Hays

    Geoffrey, those are some great points. Well said. I totally agree that Sully needs MORE minutes, and you are right on in regards to Kelly.

    Your main point, is what I was thinking the whole time. We need more Zeller pairings because we need someone bigger than Kelly AND Sully. There just isn’t room for Bass even though he’s a GREAT shooter. Bass deserves to play for a contender. Sully has replaced him.

    This is the part where I think we differ: once Smart comes back (I love the guy) we will want to play more of the small lineup (Green at the 4) against some teams. It worked against the Mavs, it can work against anyone. Also, get rid of Evan Turner. I was excited at first, but Thorton is better.

    If we trade Bass and Turner, we ought to be able to fill in the gaps and get the big guy we need.

    • Geoff Simpson

      Curt,

      Those are all good points. Bass certainly deserves to be on a contending team. Apparently the Celtics “tried like hell” to trade him this offseason (according to Grantland’s Zach Lowe) but had no takers. This surprised me because I think he’s a really solid rotation guy. As far as Turner, I’m not sure who would take him at this point either.

      I actually agree with you on the point of when Smart comes back. I’d like to see Green play some more at the 4. I think the Cs could really get after some teams defensively (like they did against Brooklyn) with the 3 guard lineups. Also having Green at the 4 would allow them to either switch some pick and rolls and/or hedge more aggressively. So I think that’s a great point.

      I have 2 concerns: 1) If the Cs are unable to move one of their posts, something will have to give (either Green stays at the 3 or one of the bigs minutes dip) and 2) I only really like Green at the 4 for short stretches. He’s just not that great of a rebounder.

      • Curt Hays

        I agree that the small lineup shouldn’t be a mainstay, but it should be used enough so that it is familiar.

        And your other concern is also key. If they can’t move the post players, they’re either going to make a great-shooting, loyal vet sit (Bass), underdevelop the young guys (Sully/Kelly), or do without a big guy (Zeller/Fav). It really depends on what Danny and Brad decide is best going forward.

        I think Fav is done in the NBA, so I’m over that. Bass will get us nowhere, ET will get us nowhere, and Zeller needs to tutelage from a big vet or at least less pressure on him to be Kendrick Perkins. We really need to bite the bullet and pay for a big that can make a difference while moving Bass and Turner.

        The solution: Trade Bass and Turner to Milwaukee for Larry Sanders.

        They don’t want him. We can’t use them. We take the risk on the big guy, and they make cap space.

      • bill_nair

        The Warriors almost picked him up with their TE. He really would have helped them. I hope some team still tries to trade for him.

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  • Brad P

    Zeller is almost the ultimate bench big. He’s no Taj Gibson but the next best thing. Have him rolling to the basket against other reserves and he will stay efficient. Great hands, the exact opposite of Bass

  • Pablo Alvarez

    Good article. It’s a fun topic to explore and to watch develop over the season, we all just hope it’s solved bringing more wins for the good guys. Of course, Ainge could make a move and change the bigs available for Stevens any moment