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Your Morning Dump… What to do with the young three-headed monster in our front court

Chuck - Red's Army October 2, 2014 Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk, Rajon Rondo, The Morning Dump 19 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

“I watched our draft workouts, and the best workout I saw all summer was Kelly Olynyk putting on a shooting clinic hitting 3s,” team president Rich Gotham said. “We bring in all these guys, but we’ve got great guys on our team. It’s exciting to think about how these guys will develop over time.”

“I think our best bet is to make him a big part of what we’re doing,” Celtics coach Brad Stevens said of Olynyk. “I think the reason for that is because he’s a skilled, savvy basketball player that can play a number of positions and can stretch the floor for you.

“I thought he made great progress last year; I think he’s made a lot this summer. I didn’t think he played as well in the [Orlando] summer league as he’s played in just his workouts, in his individual workouts and small groups. For whatever reason, I don’t know why that is the case. But he’s picked up well from Day 1 and 2 [of training camp].”

One way or another, Stevens is going to find a way to get Olynyk on the floor in hopes of allowing him to build off the end of last season. Over Boston’s final three games of the 2013-14 campaign, Olynyk averaged 25.7 points on 53.4 percent shooting while adding 9.3 rebounds and 3.7 assists over 34.7 minutes per game. He landed on the NBA’s All-Rookie second team, then dove into a basketball-heavy summer that included a stint with the Canadian national team during their overseas exhibition games.

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It’s going to be interesting to see how Brad Stevens plays the three-headed monster of Zeller, Olynyk, and Sullinger.

Before the acquisition of Tyler Zeller, I was convinced KO would be the starting center. While he might struggle defending the post and protecting the rim, his shooting range would create a similar mismatch on the offensive end. The defense would improve as he added muscle and experience.

But if Olynyk is going to log significant minutes at power forward, he’s going to have to guard quicker players. That is more frightening of a scenario than playing bigs in the post.

We are learning more about Zeller’s game, like his ability to run the floor and pass the ball:

“Probably the thing I’ve been, maybe the biggest surprise about Tyler Zeller has been the way he passes the ball,” Stevens said.

“I’m excited about our bigs being able to pass the ball as much as anything else,” Stevens said. “We’ve talked about if they can stretch it, it’s better for us shooting it. But them being able to pass is important, too.”

Zeller is not looking to stretch the floor like Sullinger and Olynyk, evident by Zeller taking just five 3-pointers in his career – all misses.

Instead he has made it a point to contribute in a multitude of other areas. And his efforts have not gone unnoticed.

“Tyler, he bangs down low. He gets up and down the floor faster than some of the guards do,” said Boston’s Marcus Smart. “That’s always good that your big can get down the floor that fast.”

All I want out of Zeller is defensive rebounding. Just keep guys off the glass, please.

Jared Sullinger’s development is key to the success of the front court (and the team quite frankly). The C-word is still a big issue for him:

“Not where I want to be, but really, really close,” Sullinger said of his conditioning level. “Getting up and down in practice has really been helpful, especially the pace that we’re playing. There’s no choice but for me to get in shape. As long as practices keep staying like this, with the competition that we have in Brandon [Bass] and Tyler [Zeller] and Erik Murphy and Dwight [Powell] and Kelly [Olynyk], you have no choice but to play as hard as you can.”

If all the reports from the summer are accurate, Sullinger has made progress in this area. He’s not going to morph into Karl Malone overnight (or likely ever), but he can turn his doughy body into a muscular one. Kendrick Perkins is a great example.

As for the other guys, Brandon Bass is the odd man out. Stevens has to play the young guys. If Bass is getting 25+ minutes, then something has gone horribly wrong.

We’ve also heard Stevens talk about playing Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace at power forward this season. That might be necessary if other teams are going super small, but again, I’d rather the focus be on developer on young bigs than winning match-ups in meaningless games.

Related: CSNNE – C’s hope KO can make impact this season | MassLive – Faverani undergoes MRI | MWDN – Stevens pushing Sullinger | Herald – Fast pace worth weight for Sully

On Page 2… Rondo says he might be ready for opening night.

“Hopefully I won’t miss any games this year,” Rondo said in an exclusive interview with CSNNE’s Mike Gorman. “Lord willing I heal correctly and I’ll be back in no time.

“They’re telling me 6-to-8 [weeks]. But that means nothing to me.”

Gorman then asked if Rondo would be a possibility for Opening Night at the end of October.

“Always,” Rondo said.

“I’m sure they’re going to be very cautious and Danny [Ainge, Celtics President of Basketball Operations] already said it. When I’m ready, like I said this isn’t my knee this is a finger.”

CSNNE

The Celtics start the season Wed, Oct 29 vs the Nets. That’s about 4 weeks from Rondo’s surgery date, leaving him 2-4 weeks shy of the initial prognosis.

I’ll never question Rondo’s toughness or dedication to return from injury.

In this case, I bet Rondo misses the first week of the season because there’s absolutely no need to rush him.

The rest of the links:

Herald – Thornton shoots to wow Celtics again | Jeff Green with another chance to lead | Globe – Stevens hopes C’s can pick up pace 

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  • swissflix

    Olynyk playing center? I don’t think that would have ever been a good idea. He is a bad defender no matter what position he plays (imho)- i am fine with that if he can turn into a reliable 15+ scorer. Tyler should be a real surprise!

  • NE_Celt

    KO putting on a 3-point shooting Klynic…hmmm…reminds me of someone….

    Just sayin.

    And I am wicked pumped to have all this size and versatility with our bigs…you have a rebounding monster and possible double double machine in Sully; a 7-footer who can shoot, pass, and put the ball on the floor in KO; and hopefully a banger, rebounder and blocker down low with Zeller…cant wait.

  • zippittyay

    I don’t know if it’s diet, training or motivation but I want to see KO *look* like someone who has put in the effort to become more athletic. Players like Humph and BirdMan obviously put in some brutal off season training and the results are visually apparent and translated to effectiveness on the court, especially on the defensive end. If KO shows up someday about 10 lbs heavier and down to about 12% body fat, we could have one hell of a player. Think a BirdMan who can actually shoot, pass and dribble. As is, he is just not *that* good of an offensive player to make up for his lack of strength and agility.

    • RedsLoveChild

      Kelly is “skinny-fat”….poorly conditioned, despite not being overweight. He`s definitely not a “hard body”. He could change that with diet and dedication.

      Hopefully, KO spent the entire summer sprinting and lifting, rather than hanging out, playing video games, while eating marijuana brownies.

      Sully is the wild card. He seems to have finally committed himself to conditioning, and taking his game to the next level. We`ll see soon enough.

      • CFH

        KO is the same guy who red-shirted himself midway through college because he wanted to focus on getting better. All the stories about the crazy drills he did during that year suggest that he committed completely to improving at the expense of the fun/glory part of being on the team.

        He’s also the guy whose rookie year play after the all star break was markedly better than before.

        Where’s the indication that he’s not willing to work hard or put in the sweat? His long hair?

        • zippittyay

          Just his lack of agility, athleticism and definition.

          • CFH

            He good be the hardest worker in the world and not have any of those things if that’s the body he was born with. Lack of those things does not equal video games and pot brownies when he should be training…. and having them isn’t the be all and end all, as a young Gerald Green could tell us.

            Not saying that he is or will be a great player, but I don’t get the attacks on his character given what we know of him.

          • zippittyay

            It took several years for Gerald Green to acquire the skills to become an effective NBA player. KO has good but not great skills but could improve on his biggest weakness, namely his lack of agility and explosiveness, in a matter of months.

        • RedsLoveChild

          The weight room would cure Kelly`s super skinny arms and scant upper body strength.
          Other drills exist that would at least add some degree of explosiveness to his legs, to improve his leaping skills.

          He needs to focus on this. He lacks athleticism, along with a “cut” body definition.

          I`m not accusing KO of being a pot-head, even if his outward appearance conjures up that stereotype. I don`t regret the Celts drafting Kelly. He improved as the season went on.

          However, I`m just being realistic as to what he can offer. We all want him to be the “next Dirk”, where he learns to take that one long “step-back” and nails jumper after jumper. On the other hand, he could easily become the “next Spencer Hawes”.

    • KGino

      Two things… 1, KO will NEVER play anything like Birdman. Birdman is all energy, no finesse. He blocks shots, gets offensive put-backs, and provides some toughness. Even if KO added all that muscle, I could never see him being that type of player. I know you said all his skills PLUS those of Birdman, I just wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for KO to become a beast in terms of blocking shots/getting offensive rebounds. The only thing those 2 have in common is they’re white and have crazy hair. That’s about it. Dirk is a much more suitable comparison.

      And 2, RLC, is just because he has long hair doesn’t mean he’s a “pot smoking hippy”. Can’t just label people by how they look. Also, let’s not all forget that Michael Phelps indulges from time to time, and his career has been okay. Just bc they smoke wouldn’t mean they’re worse at their sport or work any less hard (popular misconception).

      • zippittyay

        Do you have to teach ‘energy’? I just want him to not stand out as the slowest guy on the court. I think that can be worked on a lot easier than trying to acquire the skills that Dirk has and KO does not (yet, hopefully). Dirk has flawless footwork and great mechanics and arc on his shot that make it near impossible to defend. KO has not shown anything like that yet.

        • KGino

          I don’t think you can teach energy. I think you either have it or you don’t. That’s why I’m saying I don’t see him ever being a Birdman type. What he does have, is incredible coordination for a 7 footer (a lot like dirk). He can put the ball on the floor, pass well, shoot from deep, hit free throws, etc (things people that big can’t typically do). I think he can learn the footwork and mechanics easier than somehow becoming an energy guy.

          Another similarity between the two (Dirk & KO) is that the knock on dirk always used to be that he was “soft”… And by no means is he Kendrick Perkins now, but it wasn’t til he got Tyson Chandler (tough center) that he finally was able to escape that criticism. I think a lot of people will consider Kelly “soft” as well because he is a finesse player and lacks the skill set of a bird man type, and probably always will.

          Not saying KO will ever be close to Dirk’s level either… He’s definitely a poor mans dirk at best right now. But the similarities don’t necessarily have to be in footwork and shot arc (and things so specific) because I think dirk will always be somewhat unique when it comes to that. But in terms of what they can give to the game (their skill set I guess you could call it), there are lots of similarities.

          • zippittyay

            Dirk is so effective because he can shoot *over* people who are doing their best to guard him one on one. KO has shown no reliable ability to do this. He relies on his pump fake (and not a very good one) and his quickness (cough) to get *around* defenders to get his shot off. Any lateral quickness gained by him will greatly benefit his effectiveness in being able to create his own shot. Any verticality gained by him will greatly increase his ability to get his shot over people on a fade away. This is not even considering how it would help him in his weakest area which we all know is his lack of defensive ability. ‘Energy’ on the basketball court is nothing but a combination of conditioning and a mindset.

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  • Coach A. Johnson

    Swerved…..when you said three headed monster I immediately thought of those Bulls and Longley-Wennington-Edwards all playing the same position. Those three guys put their egos aside and trusted the coach to find minutes for them all, sometimes not in the same game, but they all got good minutes. Conversely we have the same thing in Zeller-Faverani-Anthony. Now if we swapped Anthony out and slid Olynyk in even though he will still see minutes at forward, that would sound like a plan. Going small at times during the season with Green and Wallace at the pf isn’t a crazy plan either.

  • frickenWaaaltah

    I don’t see a minutes crunch. They’re 7-footers. It’s tempting to play them like a guard or durable forward, but most of them you just shouldn’t.

    It’s tempting because they can do everything the same except over time they wear down more/faster, so if you take a ‘so far so good’ approach then everything is ‘so far so good’ until they wreck a foot or an ankle or a knee.

    Not that there aren’t durable 7footers, but don’t think for a second that the exceptions are the rule. And I’m probably not the only one who thinks Kelly and Tyler just don’t look like they’re even maybe in that club.

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