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Your Morning Dump… Where ESPN rankings cause mixed feelings

Mike Dynon (@MikeDynon) October 14, 2015 Celtics News, Isaiah Thomas, The Morning Dump 29 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Overall: 57
Title track: 24
Ownership: 48
Coaching: 17
Players: 34
Fan relations: 51
Affordability: 70
Stadium experience: 68
Bang for the buck: 109
Change from last year: +9

The Celtics, after a second-half surge to the playoffs last season, are trending upward — on the court and in the Ultimate Standings. […]

Stevens blushes at how the Celtics made a 37-spot leap in coaching in this year’s poll, but the 38-year-old helmsman inarguably is the biggest reason for Boston’s nine-spot jump overall. Even with the improving roster, he is still the biggest draw on a starless squad. The growing buzz around the league about Stevens — with stamps of approval from NBA royalty such as LeBron James and Gregg Popovich — might eventually help deliver the sort of elite talent that Boston needs to really vault in the rankings.

ESPNUltimate Standings: Boston Celtics up to No. 57 in franchise rankings

Just like in the NBA standings, the Celtics are in the middle of the pack in ESPN rankings of all 122 pro sports franchises – but they are improving, thanks largely to Brad Stevens.

These franchise rankings are based on fan voting in the nine categories shown above, and Coaching was where Boston did best. Have to love the thought that Stevens might be the game-changer to finally bring a transcendent free agent to the parquet.

Other observations:

  • The Cs ranked 14th among the 30 NBA teams.
  • The Celtics were no. 2 among Boston teams behind the Patriots, who were no. 25. The Bruins were no. 93 and the Red Sox were no. 100.
  • In the Players category (defined as “effort on the field, likability off it”), the Celts were 34th among the 122 franchises. Not bad, since Boston is constantly dinged for not having enough talent.
  • The Nets plummeted 35 spots and now rank 111th overall. Thanks again for the unprotected draft picks.

On Page 2: Isaiah is too low at No. 65

65. Isaiah Thomas

Last year’s rank: 67

Insider profile: Everyone wants to block Thomas and he uses that burning desire to his advantage. With a great pump-fake and fearlessness, he toed the free throw line 7.3 times per 36 minutes, giving him one of the highest rates in the league. Remarkably, he was blocked on just 6.7 percent of his field goal attempts. Incredible for someone who can’t see over the scorer’s table.

ESPN#NBArank: Nos. 61-70

ESPN is also slowly unveiling the results of its NBA player rankings for the upcoming season, and the reaction here to NBArank is not as positive as to the Ultimate Standings.

For NBArank, a panel of more than 100 voters was asked consider the quality and quantity of each player’s contributions to his team’s ability to win games. On Tuesday, Isaiah Thomas appeared on the list at no. 65, two places higher than the year before.

Celtics fans generally agree that Thomas is Boston’s best player, and he indeed is the highest-ranked Celtic on ESPN’s list. (Marcus Smart is no. 85, the only other Celt in the top 100.) To me, No. 65 is a little low for our best player. If any Celtic is going to be an All-Star it will be Thomas – but placing 65th means the NBA could select five All-Star squads and IT would still not make it. But, whatever, it’s all opinions, doesn’t mean anything.

That’s how I rationalized it – until the next player announced was Ricky Rubio at no. 64. Huh? Rubio last year was ranked 73rd, and missed three-quarters of last season with injury. So it’s fair to ask, are these rankings legit? How could Rubio leapfrog Thomas?

After all, Isaiah averaged 23 points per 36 minutes last season; advanced stats say he is already an All-Star; and Thomas’ production last season was superior to Rubio’s in nearly every category.

It’s pretty well-known that Isaiah takes this stuff personally, such as when Sports Illustrated ranked him 88th. So while I disagree with the player lists, I’m not sorry that the low rankings might motivate the little lefty. His pain could be Boston’s gain.

Related: NESNCeltics’ Isaiah Thomas Among Seven Most Underrated NBA Players (Photos)
Celtics.comThomas Likely To Receive First Start Wed. Night

And, finally: Look in the mirror, Metta

“I remember I came into the NBA in 1999, the game was a little bit more rough. The game now is more for kids. It’s not really a man’s game anymore,” World Peace said. […] “It’s no longer a man’s game,” he said. “It’s a baby’s game. There’s softies everywhere. Everybody’s soft. Nobody’s hard no more. So, you just deal with it, you adjust and that’s it.”

YahooMetta World Peace on the modern NBA: ‘It’s not really a man’s game anymore’

Metta World Peace has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer. His comments in this interview bear that out. Furthermore, he’s either wiped out all memory of his previous life as Ron Artest, or he lacks self-awareness at the level of Donald Trump.

It used to be that the NBA was not for the faint of heart – especially during the late 1980s through the 1990s, when the Detroit Bad Boys and Pat Riley’s Knicks beat their opponents by beating them up. That was night-and-day to today’s NBA. Any hard foul now is deemed flagrant, and technicals are slapped on players who even look at someone the wrong way.

But then the NBA’s attitude changed. The league began to adopt a zero-tolerance approach to on-court violence and trouble-making. Hmm, who set that in motion?

That would be none other than Artest/World Peace himself. In 2004, he literally instigated a riot that came to be known as “The Malice at the Palace.” Ron/Metta attacked and beat the hell out of several fans, got himself suspended for 86 games, ruined the promising season of a very strong Indiana Pacers team, and scared the piss out of the NBA hierarchy.

So, Metta, if everyone’s soft now, if no one is allowed to touch anyone more than a love tap, if the modern NBA is not to your liking, look in the mirror. Then punch yourself in the face. That will make everyone happy.

P.S.  For those of you who didn’t follow the NBA back in 2004, see the evidence for yourself.

The Rest of the Links:

HeraldBulpett: Real Celts-Nets games still to come | Celtics notebook: Turner’s back on ball tonight

MassLiveJae Crowder glad the Boston Celtics are more focused on hitting first | Isaiah Thomas: Boston Celtics move the ball differently than previous teams | Marcus Smart out as sickness continues to strike Boston Celtics

GlobeCeltics’ Isaiah Thomas working on a one-footed jump shot

CSNNEFor Celtics, the key to success is through strong defense | Add Smart (illness) to list of unavailable Celtics guards

ESPN BostonThese Celtics like to move it

NBA.comCeltics on rise … but are they ready to take next step?

Sports IllustratedShining a spotlight on the three best second-unit rotations in the NBA

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  • Jester00

    Mike, keep your political opinions to your self this is a Celtics Blog please. Now I don’t even feel like Drinking…………….good piece on I.T.

  • jrleftfoot

    if you`re a Donald blowhard supporter, maybe you`ve been drinking too much

    • Curt Hays

      @jester00:disqus isn’t saying he’s a supporter either way. He is just saying that he wants to stick to basketball. You’ve had valuable comments around here for a while, let’s not become polemic with one another. :)

    • Jester00

      Curt you speak way better then me thank you i we ever meet Drinks are on me , I like on this site Basketball, Beer, Babes, Booze, Bacon anything that starts with B or Sports stuff.

      • Curt Hays

        Haha, thank you, sir. One of these days, I gotta make it up to the Reds Army party.

  • RedsLoveChild

    The consensus seems to suggest that Thomas is Boston`s “best” player.

    If you`re an NBA team—operating in the 21st century—and your “best” player stands 5`9″…..maybe, just maybe, the unbridled and unabashed optimism for the upcoming season should be placed on hold.

    • KGino

      The presence of Brad Stevens makes him at LEAST 6′ 3″

      • RedsLoveChild

        Sounds more like 5`3″

        IT`s career FG% under Stevens = .411%
        IT`s career FG% under his previous coaches = .444%

        • KGino

          Sweet 32 game sample size bro.

          IT’s career winning % under BS: .656
          IT’s career winning % under other NBA coaches: below .500

          See how that works?

          • RedsLoveChild

            “Sweet 32 game sample size”?

            1} IT played in only 21 regular seasons games as a Celt. {Congratulations, you`re only off by 11 games!!}

            2} Why not give him full credit for the post-season success as well? {0-4 record with IT shooting a “sweet” FG% of .333%!}

            3} Never ever call me “bro”….way too creepy.
            {We clear on that, K-Guest?}

          • KGino

            1.) Lol so then sweet 21 game sample size bro. The difference between me and you is idgaf and will estimate while you take the time to look up an exact number. Sweet. Good for you.

            2.) Sweet 4 game sample size against an elite team bro.

            3.) Bro, you still haven’t pointed out this KGuest incident no matter how many times I ask. Why? Because it doesn’t exist, bro!

          • RedsLoveChild

            Wow, we actually agree!

            You “definitely do not give a f**k” about learning anything at all about basketball, the NBA, the Celtics.

            Nice to see you take such pride in that, Jackass! I have no doubts you follow that same philosophy in all aspects of your life.

            BTW, I see you got 3 up-votes.
            Hopefully, that be a sufficient number to keep you from switching your name to “Guest”? We wouldn`t want you to experience an identity crisis. LOL!!!

          • KGino

            LOL… Says the guy who gets his a$$ handed to him every time we debate basketball! If i’m dumb and ignorant, that must make you retarded!

            Quick recap of what just happened here… You posted negativity about the season… I comment with a JOKE (nothing serious)…. You come back with some weak stat derived from a 21 game sample size… I shove that in your face… You resort to bringing up some incident that never happened like 2 years ago! Ha Ha Ha Ha he he he he ho ho ho ho. Brilliant! You truly are a Child, BRO!

          • Curt Hays

            For the record, and I’ll tag RedsLoveChild so he can see it, when you delete a comment that you have posted, it goes from having your name on it to just saying “Guest”. I’ve tried it. The comment remains, but the name changes.

            This has happened to me when I received weird webpage errors too.

            As far as the [apparent] difference between the two of you…

            KGino pulls up the Reds Army webpage, has a good time, and makes certain comments that add to the discussion in the fashion of a fan who, like me (I think), tries to be more of a fan than a sports analyst.

            RLC watches the Celtics since the 60s, loves Larry Legend like all people should, suffers through the deaths of Bias and Lewis, pulls up the Reds Army webpage, and brings some realism to the comment section.

            You’re both two of my favorite fans, and this whole thing was unnecessary.

            Also, RLC is actually Danny Ainge. I’m pretty sure. I am fairly sure that KGino is not actually KG or Gino, but a guy can hope.

          • KGino

            Thanks for the input Curt. This was unnecessary. What you call his realism, I call pessimism / whining. No one here is expecting a Conference Finals appearance this year. 2nd round at best. So what’s he even talking about “unbridled/unbashed optimism”?? What, we can’t be excited to (hopefully) see our team take a step forward towards being elite?? Maybe he’s spoiled from the Bird era. Everything he ever says has a pretty negative tone to it. Theres no need for it. It’s like he’s being holier- than-thou for being a “realist” and thinks we’re all stupid fan boys expecting Banner 18 this year. Well I hate that type of condescending crap.

            PS>> Danny Ainge likes IT wayyyyy to much to bash him. I dance like Gino but drop F bombs like KG :)

          • RedsLoveChild

            This is true……I am a very spoiled Celtic fan.
            “Success” is to be measured only in terms of banners.

            I don`t want to hear about BS “moral victories”, baby steps towards “respectability”, sneaking in as a 7th seed, getting to the 2nd round, etc. Talk like this is for losers!!!

            If me voicing “objective/honest/fact-based” comments about the Celtics is your definition of “negativity”….that`s not my problem, nor will I make it my problem.

            Take it up with John or Chuck if you don`t like what I write. They have the power to ban me. Unless or until they do, get used to it.

          • KGino

            LOL…. “I don’t want to BAN YOU… What would I do without you!?”

            Do us all a favor then, and don’t bother watching the season. They won’t win a championship, so why bother, right? You can just hop back on the bandwagon when they’re good again like every other fair-weather fan. Do you Mr. Fair Weather. But I’m a die-hard. I bleed green. You don’t. I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

            Your original comment was no brilliant “objective/honest” take on the Celtics. It was actually useless. As I said, everyone who follows this team isn’t expecting anything more than a 2nd round exit or worse. So there was no need for you to attempt to temper everyone’s expectations with your “realism”, we know EXACTLY what to expect without your “hot take”. You just sound condescending/negative/snooty with comments like that. “Let me tell everyone something they already know, and act like a know it all for telling them something they already knew.” Good job bro.

          • KGino

            “WAAAAH THE CELTICS BEST PLAYER IS TOO SHORT SO YOU SHOULD ALL EXPECT THEM TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA DO BEFORE I WROTE THIS COMMENT” -RedsLoveCHILD

          • RedsLoveChild

            That`s a fair assessment.

          • RedsLoveChild

            –I keep telling you to stop referring to me as your “bro”. Now, I realize you desperately want me to be your “bro” {which is why you keep doing it}, but it`s just not gonna happen. Sorry about that…Hahahahaha!!

            –Only in your wildly delusional “fantasy life” could you ever win a debate against me , or anyone else.

            –Your comment about Thomas playing as though he was 6`3″ due to Stevens was a actually a JOKE? Hmm, some comedy writer you are! Stick to your day job, manning the drive-thru line at Wendy`s!

            –Gotta love your logic : When informed that the sample size for IT was really 21 games {rather than 32}, you saw that the smaller sample size only bolsters your argument even more! Classic!

          • KGino

            Yea bro, I want you to be my bro. Talk about delusional bro. Actually I’m disrespecting your wishes, because you’re a troll. But take it however you want bro.

            Yea, only in my fantasy life do people actually comment on our arguments “I only come here to watch KGino sh** on Reds Love Child”. Oh wait, that’s actually happened in real life!! Clearly I have dominated you in arguments in the eyes of others… But I guess its all of us who are dreaming. LOL.

            Fantasy life is denying the fact I obliterate you in any debate, as proven by your unwillingness to stick on topic and cower away by bringing up stupid irrelevant sh** constantly.

            My original comment about IT playing like 6’3″ under BS was CLEARLY A JOKE. Sorry your life sucks so bad that you take everything way too seriously and had to embarrass yourself in another argument with me.

            Gotta love my logic! I tell you thats a weak stat based on a small number of games, and it turns out it was an even smaller amount of games than what I thought. In what world does that NOT bolster my argument?? LOL. You truly are a retard!

  • Curt Hays

    I am not sure I ever watched the Malice video in its entirety. That’s a textbook example of what a mob will do when there’s nominal recourse for their actions. With the right circumstances, that could have happened in any town.

    That being said, I hope Detroit never wins another game.

    • RedsLoveChild

      Cole Hamels….will he earn his $23.5M salary today?

      • Curt Hays

        I can’t even comment on that…too emotionally attached.

        If Hamels was ever to earn his paycheck, today is that day. Going to the ALCS would be a successful season without Yu Darvish. If Mitch Moreland can get his bat back, and Josh Hamilton be his old self, I think Texas may just get it done. Overcoming Joey Bats and Josh Donaldson is a scary proposition today.

        I’m planning on avoiding the game at all costs. My heart can’t take it. Half my coworkers are in Houston, so the Oil and Gas industry may take a huge hit to its productivity today.

        • RedsLoveChild

          That`s funny!

          Don`t mess with Texas…..I want see an All-Lone Star ALCS.

          Hoping to see : “The Natural” aka “The Hammer” {Josh H} dialing it back to 2011, and “going yard” at least twice before the day is thru.

          Not wanting to see : Tulo`s bat waking up after his 3-run bomb in Game 4.

          • Curt Hays

            Agreed.

            Also, I mainly happy they don’t have David Freese.

          • Curt Hays

            Well, right outcome, wrong batter. Thank you for not asking me about the game today. I hate baseball.

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  • Sean

    Watching cs-nets. Turner & Sully have to go.