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Your Morning Dump… Where the Celtics (well, most of ‘em) are trying to win

John - Red's Army (@RedsArmy_John) January 29, 2015 Danny Ainge, Kelly Olynyk, Marcus Smart, The Morning Dump 30 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big story line. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

“Listen, the guys prepare to win and they know they’re not one of the elite teams in the league, and yet our guys believe that they can win any night,” Ainge said before the game. “Our coaches prepare to win every game and our coaches play to win every game, and we’ve lost some tough ones this year that hurt, so it’s good to get some close ones in our favor.”

Perhaps the most critical thing the younger Celtics are learning is winning away from TD Garden. They are 7-15 on the road, compared with 9-32 last season.

“That’s a process, you just can’t decide you’re going to do it,” Ainge said. “Winning in the NBA is tough, but winning on the road is very tough.”

Globe: Ainge says Celtics are playing to win

The key with Danny Ainge is listening to every word he says.

The guys prepare to win.

Our coaches prepare to win.

I, on the other hand…….

With no collective “we” in there, Ainge is obviously dancing around praise for his team and their surprising .500 trip out West, and his office’s duty to construct a contending team down the road. Unless the Celtics get Durant and Harden at the trade deadline, it’s pretty obvious that even if this team takes advantage of the shitty East to make it to the 8th seed, they’re pretty much just extending their regular season by a few games.

But don’t get me wrong, I can see the merit in a playoff run. I know everyone is enamored with Okafor and ping pong balls, but putting Stevens and staff through a playoff series so they, and some key young players, get an early taste of what that’s like won’t hurt this team at all. In fact, I’d rather them get a taste and flounder now than do it in a year or two when we expect them to advance a couple of rounds.

Trust me, I’m not discounting the importance of the draft, nor the skills Okafor possesses. I think he’s really talented and he has the potential to become a franchise-changing player. But the pursuit of a single player like that in a lottery system can really screw your team up for years if you do it the wrong way.

I’d rather Ainge do what he does… which certainly isn’t focused on winning now… and let the chips fall where they may. If Tayshaun Prince and Ainge are playing chicken with each other, then one of them is going to blink in the next couple of weeks. Bass and Thornton are what they are, and Ainge isn’t going to keep a single one of them simply because the guys in the locker room are trying to win games.

They SHOULD try to win games. After all this, it’s a great sign that Stevens and crew are getting them to win games. But Ainge sure as hell isn’t.

Related links:  CSNNE:  Despite loss to TWolves, Celtics show growth  |  Mass Live: Celtics successful West Coast Trip: pros and cons

Page 2: Smart doesn’t care about the Rising Stars Challenge

idgasSmart didn’t get chosen, though some feel he should have made it into the game. Utah’s Trey Burke, Detroit’s Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Philadelphia’s Michael Carter-Williams and Nerlens Noel, Minnesota’s Zach LaVine and Shabazz Muhammad, Orlando’s Victor Oladipo and Elfrid Payton, Brooklyn’s Mason Plumlee and Charlotte’s Cody Zeller made the cut.

“I feel bad any time somebody feels like that, if they are close to an honor like that,” said Stevens. “But in all sincerity, I don’t really care about subjective voting, and I hate voting for it myself. I understand why we have the All-Star Game. I understand the celebration that is the weekend. I understand the fan interaction that is a huge part of it, and I’m happy that we have it and glad we have it. But from a big picture standpoint, the honors that you get as a 20-year-old, you know, you’ve got a long life to live after that.”

Said Smart, “No, I’m not bummed. Hey, congratulations to those guys that made it, but I’m definitely not bummed. That’s just more time to rest my ankle and rest my body for the second half of the season.”

Herald: Olynyk might not be up for Rising Stars Challenge

I’m not going to go into any statistical analysis about why Smart should have been in over Trey Burke or Zach LaVine, because I don’t give a shit either.

Like Stevens said, it’s nice to be recognized, but it’s really no big deal. No one keeps track of your Rising Stars Challenge appearances. There’s no contract bonus. It’s just an All Star game for young guys… or to put it in more accurate terms… it’s a promotional event by the NBA to get casual fans to maybe learn a few names of up-and-coming talent. It’s a chance for the non-League Pass set to maybe look beyond their borders for 5 minutes.

So those people don’t get to figure out who Marcus Smart is just yet. He’ll take advantage of it to get healthy, and maybe tuck it away as motivation to make a real All Star game next season.

Related links:  ESPN Boston: Olynyk on World roster  |  Boston.com: Olynyk picked to play in Rising Stars Challenge

And Finally….

Kyrie Irving dropped a double nickle last night, thanks in part to 11 of 19 shooting from 3 (and also in part by being guarded by Damian Lillard).

Some big scoring nights lately in the NBA. Some great individual performances.

The rest of the links:

Herald:  Kevin Love worth waiting for  |  Celtics offer little defense  |  Globe: Celtics can’t get past TWolves  |  ESPN Boston: No charity for Celtics  |  Wolves 110, Celtics 98: Tripped up  |  CSNNE:  Turner ‘trying to push through’ with thumb injury   |  WEEI: 5 things we learned as road trip ends with loss

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  • dk

    Ahh weren’t we originally supposed to get Harden in the Perk Trade–but then Presti backed out–and we ended up with Green. Imagine the possibilities

    • adam

      Harden would probably be gone by now anyways if that happened.

  • RedsLoveChild

    Criticizing Ainge is nonsensical, even though anyone should be extremely under-whelmed by his skills as a GM.

    The fault lies with the NBA.
    In no other sport is tanking the “annual goal” for 30%-50% of the league`s teams…where they lose fan interest for years as they try to acquire the latest untested/unreliable 19 young old kid….who will likely enjoy an undistinguished career as a journeyman…where 99% of all trades involve non-impact players for the sake of cap space.

    The NBA needs to be like MLB…no salary cap, market forces dictate salaries, teams willing to spend will be winners on the court. There are only so many top players that will be signed by NY, LA, CHI, etc.

    The Celtics are one of the “Haves”. Only 3 teams are worth more, and only 5 can compete with their annual revenue stream {nearly $200M}. Add that to their iconic position in NBA history, ownership that claims they want to win titles, and this is what Celtic fans should be demanding!

    • adam

      I don’t know about not having a Salary Cap. That would leave teams like the Nuggets, TImberwolves, Bucks, Pistons, Cavs, Kings, Jazz out in the cold. Heck it could even hurt us. Just because we have owners who are rich doesn’t mean they are going to go all George Steinbrenner and drop tons of money on contracts. I do like the salary cap idea to make for a more level playing field.

      • Sean McLaughlin

        Indeed. The salary cap is a great thing for parity in the league. Draft reform (which was shut down this year by the owners, but I’m sure (or hope) will be revisited soon enough) is more what we need. There’s no room for players (or front office executives, wink wink) that play to lose for whatever reason in a competitive sport. Defeats the purpose of the institution.

      • RedsLoveChild

        Yeah….we`ve seen how wonderful the “salary cap era” has benefitted teams like MILW, NO, DEN, MINN, UTA, SAC, etc.

        Survival of the Fittest…..teams with less $$$ or owners who choose not to spend will be forced to sell to richer men who will spend.

        MLB teams that spend a lot…win a lot….and make a lot of money. Look no further than Fenway Park!

        • adam

          Good point. It hasn’t helped those teams at all. But who says the Celtics will spend. Do you want to have them give a 35 million contract to a player just because he is the best on the market, but doesn’t put up the numbers (like is going on in baseball right now) and then they’re hurt and still get paid and tie up money that could have been better well spent.

          • RedsLoveChild

            The Celts would definitely spend.
            They have tons of money….Wyc is a competitive guy who wants to win rings to join Kraft, Henry in the local discussion, and to keep the Lakers #2 in banners….plus the crazed Boston fan base would demand it.

            The Celts would gladly throw the bank at KD or A. Davis if they could go on the open market.

            Injuries are a risk for every team, not just Boston….you can`t control what you can`t control.

  • adam

    I want good ping pong ball luck, but I rather have these guys work on building a winning culture. I don’t want to be stuck in rebuild mode for 10+ years like some other franchises.

    • CFH

      Exactly. Like Tommy Heinsohn said last night… “how many #1 picks do you think the Celtics have had?”

      • Sean McLaughlin

        I especially liked it when Tommy said playing for the draft instead of to win was “BALONEY!” lol…

        • CFH

          And Mike Gorman had to chime in uninvited with “Look, it’s Anthony Bennett! Proof that you shouldn’t tank for the #1 pick!”

          (I was mostly just impressed that Gorman was obviously following what was going on in the studio instead of just waiting for his cue.)

          • Sean McLaughlin

            It’s a true point, though… Those two are two very smart individuals when it comes to basketball. Miss hearing Tommy on the road games. Scal is no substitute! Interesting stat: Tommy Heinsohn has been involved in EVERY single Celtics championship EVER. Whether a player, coach or commentator, he’s been employed somehow in the organization EVERY time! Feel like he’s my third (and last surviving) grandpa! lol

        • zapatatio

          Tommy IS a Celtics legend; he knows the real Celtics Way!

          • Sean McLaughlin

            F ucki n right!

  • bill_nair

    Remember around this time last year when the Jordan Crawford led Celtics were in the playoff race?

  • swissflix

    Fuck the rising stars.
    I want guys to compete but i don’t see the merit of this team making the playoffs. Most guys will be gone 2-3 years from now anyway. And then? It sure did not help Montross to play against Shaq, did it. He was basically a bust after 95 and we were headed straight for a true rebuild in 96. It’s only a delay in the end.

    • Sean McLaughlin

      The ones that matter will still be here, though. And that playoff experience is what will either turn them into superstars, or show them how to work with the superstars we hopefully will acquire. Playoffs (at the very least) should be the goal every day all day. At this point we’re not going to be bad enough to get a significant pick anyway without using assets to trade up in the draft. And we can do that even after making the playoffs with the assets we’re holding.

      • swissflix

        Remember how we got Ray? With the Jeff Green draft pick. The whole KG&Ray thing would not have been possible without a number 6 pick.
        If we play to win, that should also mean that we keep Prince, Bass and Thornton – because playing half a season with them to win and then to drop them with 30 games left in the season in order to get picks doesn’t make sense, does it? And since we cannot build longterm with these guys the playoffs now strategy is just silly. They’ll walk 3 months from now. It’s like Dominique Wilkins 2.0!

        • Sean McLaughlin

          We didn’t have the ridiculous amount of assets then that we do now, though.

          • swissflix

            True. I would love to see them in the playoffs this year, i am just not sure it’s worth a top 7 pick longterm. Only time will tell, i guess.

            BUT

            all our first rounders are worth not much as assets if they are not top 15.

          • Sean McLaughlin

            Exactly why I was pissed at Ainge for this year’s trades. I mean, unless we got LBJ, KD or “The Brow”, I wouldn’t have been happy with getting rid of Rondo anyway, but I really believe we should’ve gotten better picks as well. The silver lining is that these picks can be packaged, and are valuable for lesser teams that know that this years draft isn’t going to vault them into contention. That’s where hopefully the plan is to package them for a better pick (maybe even one down the road), then either draft and trade or trade that better pick outright for the players we hope to achieve. Obviously, I know nothing of what’s in Ainge’s head, as I don’t agree with his moves so far this year, but just saying that’s what I would do. Depriving players of playoff experience and a taste of a winning culture isn’t worth POSSIBLY moving up a few picks in the draft on our own.

          • adam

            Maybe there wasn’t a market for him like we think. We in Boston knows he can play he showed it but then was disinterested.

      • zapatatio

        True Celtics Spirit; play to win, and built team spirit! Go playoffs!

  • KGino

    Smart honestly doesn’t belong in the Rising Stars Challenge. His defense is far too intense for a glorified pickup game like that.

  • CFH

    Wasn’t there almost universal agreement last year that the Rising Stars gave Kelly a huge confidence boost and improved his play for the second half of the season?

    Smart has a very different mentality and it probably is better motivation for him to miss the game, regardless of what he says about not caring.

    But I do believe the thing has its uses.

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