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Your Morning Dump… Where Flip Saunders isn’t talking with Danny Ainge

Chuck - Red's Army July 10, 2014 Danny Ainge, Rumors, The Morning Dump 32 Comments

Minnesota Timberwolves team president of basketball operations and new head coach Flip Saunders smiles during a media availability in Minneapolis, Friday, June 6, 2014. (AP Photo/Ann Heisenfelt)

Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump. 

What the move doesn’t necessarily do is bring the Celtics any closer to Kevin Love. The Timberwolves have still not shown any interest in what the C’s could have to offer, and they have not communicated to Ainge what players they would like that he might be able to get for them.

It is important to note the Celtics and Minnesota have thus far never been close on a deal for Love or even been engaged in any meaningful back-and-forth, offer-counteroffer discussion. It’s a trade the Celts most certainly desire to make, but to do so would take a major change in thinking on the part of the Timberwolves.

Ainge, meanwhile, is just trying to get in on the big action. And he will head from here to the Las Vegas summer league in search of it.

Sources say he believes Boston is a place Love wants to play, but he knows that it will take more than the presence of Rajon Rondo to attract him. So he is continuing to find ways to gather players and picks that could set up larger moves to either get an All-Star or fetch the talent to support him.

Boston Herald

Kinda hard to work a deal when one side refuses to tell you what they want. Sounds like Flip Saunders is still in denial about the situation. Maybe he’s angry about Love’s vacation in Boston and the media firestorm it created.

Regardless, this revelation puts a major dent in my already muted optimism for Love landing in Boston.

I enjoyed Sean Grande’s take on the deal for Thornton and Zeller:

“It is remarkable what you can get for a bucket of water when everybody else is running around with their hair on fire,” said Grande. “The price of the water goes up. Danny had the exception, it was going to expire, if nothing happens by Saturday, that thing is gone.”

Grande says the deal “added to the basket of assets.”

Related links: Globe – Despite trade, rebuilding will take time | ESPN Boston – C’s get A for trade | Roster reset: Post trade glance

On Page 2, good news for Celtics summer leaguer Dairis Bertans.

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Boston Celtics summer league guard Dairis Bertans was hospitalized after a scary collision during Wednesday night’s win against the Detroit Pistons, but a CT scan test was negative and the plan called for him to be released later in the night, according to the team.

No word has been issued yet on whether the 24-year-old will play in the final two summer league games.

MassLive

Tough break for Bertans. Here’s hoping he gets another shot to chase his dream.

The rest of the links:

ESPN Boston – Celtics get aggressive Babb | Yahoo! – No commitment from Lebron after Heat meeting |

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  • Herman Bubbert

    It’s a sad day when the acquisition of two scrubs for nothing is hailed by the fan base as proof of Danny Ainge’s genius. Rick Pitino must have walked through that door – again. How far we have slipped since 2007.

    • JT

      Casually leaving out the first round draft pick.

    • tvor03

      Why don’t you and RedsLoveChild go fondle each other in a dark room.

      • RedsLoveChild

        Hi Tvor,

        Did Mr. Ainge`s favorite little cult-follower have a good nights` sleep?
        Yeah? That`s nice!

        • KGino

          “Do something right, and people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all” — words that RLC lives by

          • LA Flake

            I think DA’s been an above average GM. He’s made some really boneheaded moves but he’s also hit a few out of the park. He’s brought us a championship and then he’s robbed us of a championship (with the Perk trade). He’s brought in guys who are possible future legends after he’s shipped out living ones. He’s found some hidden gems in the draft and he’s missed out on some franchise-changing ones.

            But I’m really loving this Marcus Smart kid. I watched him play last night and you could tell why the C’s brass fell in love with him. The kid has all the tools to become something truly, TRULY special. Not only is he a talented, cerebral guard, but after Bertran went down, you could tell Smart was getting chippy and then when he started jawing with (I believe) Liggins, it was like watching a mini-KG laying it out there for his teammates. Even in a meaningless Summer league game. That got me all fired up. I’m ready go to war with this kid!

            So, I’m gonna thank Danny for drafting another warrior and hope he doesn’t screw it up.

          • KGino

            I agree man… He is above average. No more, no less. No one here is saying he’s the Popovich of GM’s, although these 2 knuckleheads would have you believe that.

          • LA Flake

            Some fans piss me off, too, and I’m pretty sure I piss off people. No need to let things get ugly, dawg. That is until Chuck posts a picture of some cheap ass looking, stripper-wannabe bleach blonde with fake boobs and declares her HAWT.

          • KGino

            nothing ugly here, just spittin the facts like hewlett packard

          • forever_green

            I look at DA as just average really..I see the good & bad..anyone that wants to look at him as more is fine but when its implied that he is the Popovich of GM’s all to often it does get annoying (see rich jensen).. ..we are fans of the same team with different views, its ok lets just stop attacking each other.

          • KGino

            Right… So when it is implied that he is the Quinn Buckner of GM’s, it is also annoying.

            There’s two ends to the spectrum for the job Danny Ainge has done… If you’re either way to the left or way to the right of that spectrum, you don’t know what you’re talking about

          • forever_green

            Right, just don’t let it annoy you sooo much, either way..
            I don’t know about Herman but I can tell even with his outlandish comments RLC is a Celtic fan and really just wants what’s best for the team, even if what he wants may not be best..

          • RedsLoveChild

            Forever Green,

            Are people implying that Ainge is to GM`s what Popovich is to coaches?!?

            Take away the 2007 “McHale Gift of The Century”…and DA`s 11 year track record as a GM would be as impressive as Kurt Rambis` head coaching record!

          • forever_green

            Lol, this seemed like a formal letter, I know your a good dude & I hear you, there’s definitely a debate on DA..but people never like criticism.

          • KGino

            How you can “hate” him as a GM is silly, especially lately. You always conveniently like to remove DA’s championship b/c of a “gift from Mchale.” Sorry bud it doesn’t work that way. Lebron still has a championship the years he got a “gift from the referees” and a “gift from ray allen” but they still count. Not to mention the 10 other dominoes that DA had to make fall before he could even make that trade… which you give no credit for.

            You were the biggest supporter here of trading Paul and KG… Every GM in the league will tell you that was a hell of a deal… Yet you give no credit.

            You give no credit when he trades nothing for 3 assets. You give no credit when he trades up to draft KO (if they re-did that draft, KO goes top 10 easily), but you try to strip him of his credibility for passing on Chandler Parsons or Deandre Jordan (a lot of other GM’s did too). You give no credit when he makes a good trade, like Baby for Bass, but you’re there to take it away when he trades Perk for Jeff Green. And worst of all, you give no credit for ending a 22 year championship drought, and orchestrating the deal that led to one of the best era’s in Celtics basketball.

            You’re just a Danny Ainge “hater”, simple and plain.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Why do you keep saying I never give Ainge any credit?

            I pointed out that 25%-30% of the time he gets things “right”. Yes, I was all for trading PP & KG during their final year. Yes, Ainge fleeced the Nets in that trade.

            However, you just know DA will blow it when it comes time to put those BRKLN picks to use! He`ll use them to draft an inferior guard, while leaving a promising big remaining on the board…or he`ll trade them off in a deal that will leave you scratching your head. Then you`ll say to yourself, “We waited all this time for that???”.

            Yes, I have absolutely no faith in him as being the GM who will get us to banner 18 and beyond. He`s good at making lots of inconsequential moves, that add up to nothing…he`ll obtain a Ford Fiesta for a Chevy. Big deal! We need Bentleys to win titles!

          • KGino

            Great response. Thank you for actually staying on topic.

            However, your main argument that he’ll “screw it up” is only conjecture, not fact. This remains to be seen. It also remains to be seen if Smart will be better than Randle (however, given what I’ve read about Randle’s personality and Smart’s personality, I’d take Smart 10x outta 10).

            He didn’t screw it up when he cashed in all those assets for KG & Ray. I’d also call the Ray trade more of a Bentley than a Chevy.

            You can say he doesn’t make BIG moves… I guess… But how often does anyone make those kinds of moves? They’re rare. And he’s AT LEAST put us in a position (quickly I might add) to make that type of move, which is more than you can say for a lot of other GM’s. I don’t see how you can have 0% faith in him.

            Another recent Ainge move that is thoroughly underrated: the hiring of Brad Stevens. Yes, it’s conjecture to say it was the right move until he coaches some actual talent and wins something… But I honestly like it better than any other coach hiring since the Bulls took Thibs. It was the perfect hire for a rebuild, IMO. He also did a great job hiring Doc, as well as holding on to him when everyone was calling for his head in 07.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Ok, you made good points. You did not leave me with much to quarrel with.

            Smart vs. Randle : I would have definitely taken Randle.
            However…I`m open minded on this one. I do believe DA went with Smart to “safely secure” a replacement for Rondo. Smart arrives with serious credentials, his killer motivation is well known, Randle has foot issues, Rondo is looking at free agency. We`ll see what happens.

            Stevens : No problem there. Players seem to like him, seem willing to play hard for him. That`s all you can ask of a coach, the X`s and O`s don`t really differ between the coaches.

            Ray Allen : There was a clear link between the Ray trade and the KG trade. Without the prospect of getting KG, there would never be a Ray trade for the #5 pick {Green}.

            Where Ainge hugely impressed me in 2007 {and is easily overlooked} was his moves right after getting KG. Getting Posey was huge! The guy had always been a winner {tough, gritty, defensive minded, passionate, clutch 3`s}. Getting House was also immediately impressive {veteran long range bomber, energy galore}.

          • KGino

            Thanks. You also leave me with nothing to quarrel with… Only to agree with and add upon.

            I would have probably taken Randle too, but I’m coming to like Smart. Much like Rondo… Once he develops a jumper… Watch out. And he gives us great flexibility in terms of dealing with Rondo’s contract in the future. Smart made some plays in summer league that you definitely cannot teach… I’m excited to watch his game develop.

            Yep, DA did a splendid job filling out that roster after he had his Big 3 (not to mention he had already drafted the perfect KG compliment in Perk). PJ Brown/Cassell were also great pickups later into the season that really solidified the team. PJ was huge in a few playoff games. Posey & House will forever be one of my favorite Celtic’s bench tandems.

            I’m glad to see you acknowledge some of the positives!

          • RedsLoveChild

            Good things would always happen whenever JP & EH were on the floor…..especially in the 2008 Finals.

            Game 4—JP & EH scored 29 points in the comeback game! Posey`s dagger 3 with 1:13 left gave the Celts a 5 pt. lead.

            Posey hit 7-of-11 threes in Games 4 & 6…JP/EH delivered the knock-out blows in Game 6, hitting consecutive threes, a 32-29 lead went to 38-29 in a flash…causing Jackson to call a “panic” TO.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Ok, you made good points. You did not leave me with much to quarrel with.

            Smart vs. Randle : I would have definitely taken Randle.
            However…I`m open minded on this one. I do believe DA went with Smart to “safely secure” a replacement for Rondo. Smart arrives with serious credentials, his killer motivation is well known, Randle has foot issues, Rondo is looking at free agency. We`ll see what happens.

            Stevens : No problem there. Players seem to like him, seem willing to play hard for him. That`s all you can ask of a coach, the X`s and O`s don`t really differ between the coaches.

            Ray Allen : There was a clear link between the Ray trade and the KG trade. Without the prospect of getting KG, there would never be a Ray trade for the #5 pick {Green}.

            Where Ainge hugely impressed me in 2007 {and is easily overlooked} was his moves right after getting KG. Getting Posey was huge! The guy had always been a winner {tough, gritty, defensive minded, passionate, clutch 3`s}. Getting House was also immediately impressive {veteran long range bomber, energy galore}.

          • KGino

            It doesn’t annoy me at all is the thing (you were the one who originally mentioned that). I love debating sports in my free time, especially the Celtics. I could literally discuss them all day and night.

            And I thoroughly enjoy proving people wrong who make stupid comments. RLC is a Celts fan, I know, he’s just the type of pessimistic & stubborn fan I dislike. Always negative, even when the GM trades nothing for 3 assets, and refuses to give any credit. That being said, I wouldn’t change him… He’s the Joker to my Batman.

          • forever_green

            Ok, cool.

    • eddysamson

      And its equally sad that ignorant fools like you have no perspective. We traded 3 old men that could barely play (KG + Terry barely did ANYTHING, Pierce was limited) for….2014, 2016, 2018, and 2017 rights to switch 1st rounders from the Nets, Humphries, Wallace, Bogans, Brooks, Zeller, Thornton, and a Cavs 1st rounder. For….3….old….dudes.

      • bill_nair

        Theres no reasoning with these guys. They want to be pessimistic trolls let them be. They can easily stop coming here and paying attention to the C’s.

    • KGino

      How far we’ve slipped since 2007… Winning championships and sh** in 2008… Yea, we be slippin since then!! lol moron

    • chuckmckenney

      If you isolate the deal from all our big free agent dreams, then you have to say it was an excellent move. That’s all I’m saying.

    • KGino

      Actually Bub, it’s a fantastic day when your GM gives up a 2nd round pick for a 1st round pick…

      Oh wait he got a 3RD YEAR 7 FOOT CENTER too?! (Giant position of need right now, unless you want to see Joel Anthony eating up minutes… Call him a scrub but he’s a scrub we desperately needed)….

      Oh wait, there’s more?!?!?! He used that TPE that expires THIS WEEKEND and would have became NOTHING to gain an 8.5 mil dollar expiring contract for 2015???? Awesome!!

      You are truly a miserable stubborn old man if you can’t give Ainge props for this transaction.

      • wil

        we dont even have to give up the 2nd rounder, i read something that its a top 55 protected and cavz wont get it unless we land in the top 5

  • eddysamson

    Glad Bertans is okay, but I still feel bad for him. I feel like he was the only random FA dude with a shot to make the roster playing at the 3, who knows about now.

  • LA Flake

    All the negativity in this town sucks!
    – Rick P. from Louisville, KY

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