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Avery Bradley agrees to re-sign for 4 years, $32 mil

John - Red's Army (@RedsArmy_John) July 2, 2014 Avery Bradley, Free Agency 95 Comments

There is some mixed reaction to this signing so far on Twitter, but I think this is ultimately a good deal when you consider we’re talking about a 23 year-old who is considered by many to be the league’s best-on ball defender… and oh by the way he shot 40% from 3 last season.

The big drawback, of course, is his injury history.  The only caveat to that, I’d say, is that none of his injuries is chronic.  Many have been a result of bad luck that can happen to anyone.  Still, they keep happening to him, so four years of it does cause some level of concern.

But the market spoke the previous day when Jodie Meeks agreed to sign for three years at nearly $7 million per year.  Bradley’s contract falls in line with that, so we can forget about those ideas of him taking $6 million or less.  There were already reports that Bradley was going to command up to $9 million.  And even though that could simply have been information planted by Bradley’s agent, I don’t think it was really out of whack.  The Celtics paid market value for a familiar player with an extraordinary skill.  That’s the bottom line.

Now… as for the draft and the glut of guards…

We’ll have to wait and see what that means.  You could easily just say Jerryd Bayless is gone and Marcus Smart fills that role.  Interest in Isaiah Thomas is intriguing, and a little perplexing, but the fact that the Celtics called 29 other guys takes the edge off any specific plans Ainge might have for the Rajon Rondo/Avery Bradley back court.

Remember, teams can’t official start doing business until the July moratorium is over on the 10th, so this is really just the beginning.  I like that Avery is back and I think that this is a good deal.  It’s not a great deal or a “wow” deal.  It’s just paying a guy what the market determined he was worth.

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  • adam

    I don’t think they want another Tony Allen happening. Did Tony remain mostly injury free in Memphis? Plus Bradley has some offense which Tony didn’t. If he can stay healthy, would this be a steal?

    • Dirk Diggler

      Asking “if” a four year vet, a 23 year old guard, can stay healthy pretty much concedes that the guy cannot stay healthy.

  • LA Flake

    Good deal. Glad AB will stay. He’s a good Celtic.

    • BillRussell

      I agree, he truly is the definition of a “Celtic”

  • NE_Celt

    I think Danny is going to revolutionize the NBA and be the first GM to throw a 5 man guard group on the floor…a pack of ankle biters running around passing, dribbling, shooting, stealing…utter chaos.

    But really, I like AB…and if the price we got was on par for what most players like him command, and he has that extra defensive ability, then im good with that.

    • Curt Hays

      Isn’t that just about what Donnie Nelson did with Golden State?

      • CoachAJ

        Nelly ball was great to watch – Hardaway, Richmond, Marcuilionis, Mullin, and Higgins/Owens.

        • Lewis35

          Yeah and how many championships did they win?

  • RedwasKing

    I am very happy about this Bradley signing. He is the perfect offensive compliment to Rondo/Smart because they are both slashers and AB specializes in the corner 3 and cutting to open spaces on the floor.

    As far as Isaiah Thomas, sometimes I think that the NBA intentionally releases names to fire up a fan base. So far the names linked to the Celtics have been either a) PGs, b) Lakers or c) fringe all-stars. These are all buzz worthy things, but only represent 5 of the reported 30 players the Celtics have reportedly spoken two. DA even said that if the player is of any value than they would probably talk to them.

  • BillRussell

    The competition at the Guard spots is going to be savage!!!! I love it- All i dream about is a Center, but i do believe this severe competition at the guard spot will make every guard on our roster better.

    • tvor03

      we actually have a good guard rotation now. Rondo and Bradley to start. Smart and Young coming off the bench. That’s pretty darn solid. Now if we can just get the other three positions in order.

      • BillRussell

        the Wallace contract is such a drag- 10+ Mill over the next too years- he is solid, but that contract is going to hinder our progress to next level -

        • CoachAJ

          Good thing is only two more years of that deal, though 10 per is tough to swallow. We keep hearing “rim protector, rim protector”, but if we are really solid on the perimeter, a rim protector doesn’t mean much. A center that can take charges is just as good.

        • LA Flake

          Can’t they amnesty his ass?

      • eddysamson

        Plus Pressey and Chris Johnson for insurance. I feel like those 2 dudes are perfect end of bench guys.

      • Jake Gruber

        2 of the players you just listed haven’t even played in the nba yet! Who knows if that’s solid?

        • tvor03

          Yeah, there’s truth to that. But Smart and Young have more potential to be solid role players than most anyone we’ve had on the bench in about 5 years.

          • Jester00

            Maybe you forgot this guy named Sully?

          • tvor03

            I was referring strictly to the guard position. Sully is right fine in my book. I just hope we get him some good help this year.

    • frickenWaaaltah

      Yeah I love it when that happens; remember Glenn Davis vs Leon Powe? It really brought out the best in both guys. But honestly, what I like right now is the depth, and having a coach that will use it. The NBA grind is brutal so a deep regular season rotation lets guys play hard without playing too much.

  • bill_nair

    Eh, not a fan of the money but it is market value. Hopefully Avery continues to improve. After losing TA I can kind of udnerstand this.

    • Herman Bubbert

      Yeah. What is the old saying about a fool and his money? Eight large for that? Rondo has to be history.

  • CoachAJ

    When the cap rises and when the supposed lockout is averted, this will be a great deal as AB will have two years left on it and IF he improves his weak points we will say thanks Danny for locking this guys up. Best on ball defender in the league. Might be tough to swallow now, but also sends the message to me that Love deal is done, and Brad and Danny are gonna build from within.

    • CoachAJ

      Also since AB gets 8 million per, then Rondo will get 15-16 per. Not a max deal, but really high. Question is Danny serious about making Rondo the new face of the Celtics, in his prime years, because they have started. Danny named him Captain, now he needs the contract to go with that title.

      • LA Flake

        Rondo is not twice the player Avery is.

        • frickenWaaaltah

          You’re right; he has been 10 times the player AB is or ever will be. I guess we have to pay him 80 million a year now, meh.

          Seriously though, Rondo is almost as good a defender as AB; it’s just not possible for him to mainly spend his energy on his defensive assignment all game long like AB has gotten to. And that’s AB’s only edge over Rondo.

          Rondo = part of a championship core.
          AB = replaceable rotation player.

          • LA Flake

            I’m not the biggest Rondo fan so you may think I’m bias but…
            Rondo was a core player on a championship squad? LOL
            Doc played Eddie House over him, bruh!

          • frickenWaaaltah

            Well, I’m talking about #18, not #17. I mean heh ok you zinged me there, sure, but come on, Rondo was the best player on the team in the playoffs every other year they were contending. It wasn’t ever his fault they didn’t get over the top again, unless you count getting injured in 2011 against Miami.

            Rondo is to this rebuild as Pierce was to the last rebuild. They were both about 27 at the start of a rebuild. Rondo is the core player he kept to build with this time around. Although I do think one thing Danny learned from the last go around was that it would be better for that rebuild not to take so long this time. So I don’t think he’ll trade Rondo this season, but I would guess Danny will know by midway through the 2015-2016 season.

          • LA Flake

            Come on, now. Pierce in his prime was an unstoppable force who scored 20+ppg EVERY.SINGLE.NIGHT for FIFTEEN YEARS and never took a night off. He was a certified GO-TO scorer who was one of the best at closing games in his era. He is arguably one of the 5 best Celtics ever and one of the top two scorers in our team history.

            Rondo, while a great pass-first PG, benefited greatly from playing with two first-ballot HoFers (and one traitor who had a nice shot). Rondo is a great complimentary player but not a franchise star. That’s my assessment.

          • reggie lewis

            I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Rondo was basically a “passenger” on the 2008 team.

            Two bench players—Posey & House–were more valuable.

          • frickenWaaaltah

            Posey is a different position entirely, and his contribution that year really was something special. I still wouldn’t say Eddie House was more important though if I had to pick him or Rondo.

            Sure, there were those times when they were desperate for more outside shooting and so they called on Eddie and he came up big., but I think you’re both taking it for granted that they’d get as far and do as well as they did most nights, most of the year, without Rondo being a surprisingly competent play maker and strong defender, even with the sudden jump in competitive challenge level. Everyone said he wasn’t ready for it and maybe he wasn’t, but overall, he played like he was.

            Do you think they’d have won a title in 2008 even with Sebastien Telfair or Marcus Banks as their starting point guard? Or more to the point, if they had to start Eddie House? That team was pretty strong that year so maybe but I would think the series with the Lakers would have been a lot tougher at least.

          • RedsLoveChild

            By Feb. of 2008, it was obvious the Celtics were the best team in the NBA, only a devastating injury could stop them.

            I thought they had a legitimate shot at sweeping LA, it never occurred to me they might lose the Finals. What did amaze me was that they lost 10 playoff games that year!

          • LA Flake

            And Leon! Leon! LEONNNNN!!!
            (and PJ Brown)

    • Dirk Diggler

      Best on ball defender in the league? Better than Iggy, KLeonard, Allen, etc.? I’m a Celtics fan too, but the overrating of Avery Bradley is getting out of control.

      • CoachAJ

        If not the best, then one of the best. Guy is only 23 and has a rep as a dogged defender. At the hardest position to guard. Period. Don’t underrate the value of picking up a man full court and staying in his jock.

        • LA Flake

          Rondo used to pick up his man full court.

  • RedsLoveChild

    Bradley and Smart give them an aggressive defensive back-court, with a pit-bull mentality. Not re-signing Bayless would be a mistake.

    Rondo is 100% gone…we just don`t know the exact date or specific details,

    • eddysamson

      It would be a better version of AB + Lee. I like it.

      • Brad P

        Lol, if I recall that backcourt sucked major ****

        That’s not saying much at all

        • eddysamson

          Apparently you are forgetting the stifling D and long win streak we went on when they started this and we dubbed them “The Pit Bulls”.

          • Brad P

            I remember the streak very well. 6 wins, 6 losses, 4 wins, 4 losses. Go look it up

        • jrleftfoot

          Smart and Bradley are better than Lee and AB because Smart can handle the ball..Yo can`t play with two off guards unless you have a really good point forward.

  • Brad P

    Wow, that’s all I can say.

    Here we come mediocrity.

  • Lewis35

    This sucks!!! Tie all this money into a guy who hasn’t proven anything. I don’t get the obsession with this site and some of the C’s fan’s with this guy. He’s average at best and hasn’t done a thing to help this team win. Great he plays good defense so don’t a lot of other guys in the league who can also actually score! Hate it!! Hate it!! Hate it!!!

    • KGino

      Lol go watch a Celtics game buddy. “he plays good defense”…he’s one of the best in the league at his position defensively. Like top 3. That’s not good defense, that’s elite defense.

      And he can’t score now? He just averaged 15ppg last season… That’s above average… The only argument against the kid is his injuries.

      • LA Flake

        I agree. If you enjoyed the Pit Bull tandem of AB & Courtney Lee going after guards, you’re gonna love watching AB & Marcus Smart ABUSING everybody.

        • frickenWaaaltah

          Maybe Danny knows something we don’t. Maybe they’re getting rid of the shot clock. Then, with Smart and AB in the backcourt, the Celtics can win games 27 to 22.

          • LA Flake

            LOL

      • Lewis35

        Lol ok grew up watching every game in the 80’s then suffered through the Dino Radja years…. Saw my fav player collapse on the court. cried the morning I found out Lenny Died and I should watch a C’s game bro…..He is a great defender is that what you want me to say??? He scored 15 ppg because our team in garbage bro and someone has to score….. The worst teams in the league have to have leading scorer because someone needs to score lol. He is not worth 8mill a year period!

        • KGino

          Hey hey no one is knocking your history with the team, I just can’t see you watching many recent games if you think AB is “just another” defender. Or if you say he isn’t a scorer.

          But you just admitted he is a scorer, albeit for a bad team. He would continue to score 10-14ppg even if we got someone like Kevin Love.

          I will acknowledge that he’s not worth 8 mil a year… But only bc of his injury history. Not for his play.

          • Lewis35

            If we had some legit scorers there is no way he scores more than 10 a game. I love this team as much as any serious C’s fan. I watch practically every game and I watched almost every game last season as painful as it was. I am a realist and I just don’t get the fascination with this guy. He is a very good on ball defender yes but he is small as hell. We have a much much stronger bigger version of him by the name of Marcus Smart. There is no need for two guys that are practically the same player. Smart’s shooting will be just as good if not better once they get his shot improved.

          • KGino

            He already averaged 10 a game in much less minutes playing with KG pierce rondo and green…

          • Curt Hays

            You forgot to say that he took Ray Allen’s starting spot!

          • KGino

            Haha it wasn’t relevant for this post. Go check my argument for frigginwaltah who said AB is not starter

          • Curt Hays

            It isn’t his choice. It is Brad Steven’s choice. Unless…what if Lewis35 IS Brad Stevens…then AB might not start! Crap.

            “Smart’s shooting will be just as good if not better once they get his shot improved.”

            Seriously? “…once they get his shot improved”? Seriously. C’mon. So AB is small and can’t score much, but Smart is basically the same player who needs to improve his shot. Did I get it right? I’m getting dizzy from my head spinning around in circles trying to follow this nonsense.

            AB might be a great player this year. Marcus Smart might also be a great player this year. Rondo might not get traded if Danny decides to honor his word. There isn’t much else that can be said.

          • KGino

            Yea this guy can tell the future, and Smart is already clearly better than AB

          • Curt Hays

            That must be how he got Danny Ainge to hire him as the head coach.

          • Lewis35

            Bro are you related to him or something?? lol your acting like he’s the second coming of DJ

    • RedsLoveChild

      AB is a solid player.

      The only thing I`d change about him is his height….he looks more like 6`0″ than 6`2″….wish he was around 6`4″.

      • Curt Hays

        He was 6’2″ at the draft combine, age 20. He is now measured at 6’3″. Not tall like Ray Allen, but it sorta helps him keep his nose on the ball. Tony Allen is 6’4″, so I can see Bradley being better if he had grown more. Sad day.

        • RedsLoveChild

          Really, he grew an inch?

          AB is the shortest 6`3″ I`ve ever seen.

          • Curt Hays

            Lol, either way, he isn’t 6’4″!

  • forever_green

    I think this is a bit much for AB, and with the way he plays D all out he’s bound to get injured, But we needed to keep him.

    At least it’s not Gortat money, whoa.

  • Jake Gruber

    Bradley is a good player for a team that already has a direction. He’s the type of guy that teams like: Miami, houston, San Antonio, Portland, etc can use. I just don’t really see the point in locking up 8 million dollars a year with him right now, unless they think they can package him in a deal with that salary, which I guess is market price, as you said.

    • LA Flake

      What you talkin’ bout, Willis?
      AB is a good player ANY team in the league can use.

  • KGino

    AB is the man, so good for him. If he can stay healthier going forward, this is a solid deal.

  • art

    I agree with everyone’s complaints. I think 8 mil was a bit high for an injury prone guard who’s sometimes good but not great. Who has never led his team to success. Danny can be puzzling at times. This reminds us of the Jeff Green deal at 9 mil. Not worth it. That’s a lot of salary cap space up in smoke.

  • Jake Gruber

    Also, the warriors just signed Livingston, who isn’t much worse than Bradley if worse at all, to a shorter deal with less money per year. So I’m not entirely convinced the celtics got a “steal” here.

    • jrleftfoot

      nobody said it was a steal. market value. he plays D , hits threes and rebounds. he`s a decent off the ball 2 guard , and at 23 , there is some upside. we need guys that can stretch the floor , so why not the bird in the hand?

    • KGino

      absolutely absurd comparison, assuming you mean shaun livingston

    • bill_nair

      If Livingston was 23-25 he wouldve gotten a similar deal to AB. When Afflalo got his 5/$35 deal he was coming off a season where he put up 12 ppg and had a 13 per. His percentages were better than AB but everything was similar in regards of performance. The point is players get paid for potential. In 2 years Danny assumes AB is worth the $8mill more than he is this season just like the Afflalo deal looked great after his last season but was less favorable at the time of his signing. Meeks $6.5, AB $8, Stevenson $10+. Their price tags dictate their role (whether AB should be paid less or is in the right role is another story).
      FWIW, I dont think AB can put up Afflalo #s of this past season and I believe Afflalo had a lighting in a bottle season.

  • Dirk Diggler

    I’m normally “optimist prime” and the ever-so-loyal ‘green-teamer’ when it comes to the Celtics, but I absolutely HATE this deal. Bradley is undersized, streaky and often inefficient. Most importantly, this is a 23 year old who has never played more than 64 games in a regular season. His body is not capable of handling the grind of an 82 game NBA season until he proves otherwise. I had 100% faith in Danny until this move. In fact, I think all 100% just vanished instantaneously.

    • Dirk Diggler

      And I was someone who supported Bradley starting over Ray Allen during that stretch because Ray was immobile and couldn’t guard a cold lump of dogsh*t. However, I don’t value Bradley as a starting SG nor do I value him at 4/32mill especially with his injury history. Overall, as a die-hard Cs fan — I’d have to classify this deal as downright horrible for this franchise.

      • BillRussell

        The Health concern is legitimate. He has + a good amount of weight (which should help with little injuries, especially shoulders) but he really has improved offensively and defensively every year in the league. I really think he will continue to improve and especially with a Healthy Rondo/Bradley duo- they have had flashes of legit greatness together- i also thing add smart to that mix, they will all make each other better and feed off each others intensity. obviously thinking optimistically

  • frickenWaaaltah

    Hideously awful deal unless they have a trade ready to go, and overpaying him so blatantly was to help make the numbers work. This is anything but a steal. This was not at all a market price; it was an absurd overpayment/gift.

    With his limited skill set, he shouldn’t even be a starter in the NBA.
    He’s a third guard/defensive specialist and that’s about it. Other people are saying it too, but yeah, he’s too injury prone to play 82+ and he can’t score much.

    A ‘stopper’ like him is only useful to elite playoff teams. But even then, how useful is a “stopper” in a league where his defensive skill magically disappears against celebrity opponents? Steven Curry is a nobody…AB shuts him down. Stephen Curry is red hot in the media…AB gets in foul trouble early.

    • KGino

      what is with this myth that he can’t score? Is 15ppg and 40% 3P not good enough for you guys?

      • frickenWaaaltah

        Those stats are from a terrible terrible year which included a lot of garbage time. Even his percentage is going to be inflated by that. Getting 15ppg from AB is a sign of how obscenely bad the Celtics were last year, not of what a great offensive player AB is.

        Starting AB = losing. He has an extremely limited offensive skill set. He’s a third guard/defensive specialist. Sure, he has helped his career by being able to hit open threes at a decent rate, but on a team with Rondo, you need/want guys who can do more than that on offense, especially at the 2/3, or you just won’t be a playoff team.

        • KGino

          Avery started, which means he wasn’t playing much during garbage time… Unless you consider the majority of the game in a rebuilding season garbage time. Still, he proved he CAN score at a decent clip, if needed. He was still putting up 10ppg surrounded by KG pierce jeff green and Rondo.

          Also, he is a spot up shooter, much like ray allen was for us. Think of how many mid range jumpers he sank last year off of screens… He does much more than hit 3’s.

          • frickenWaaaltah

            Yeah you’re right, I did go too far with the choice of words there. There weren’t too many games where the majority of the game was literally “garbage time” in the classic sense, you’re right about that thankfully. I am glad that Brad Stevens pulled that much off, and it’s no small feat for a first year NBA coach. I mean really, for the Celtics, even one of those is ‘too many’ (the unforgettable and not in a good way game in Houston comes to mind) but realistically, the important thing is that when they happen, the team learns from it and responds and so nights like that are kept a rare thing at most.

            In the NBA though, there’s this other thing, and that’s what I mean. It’s kind of hard to describe. I wouldn’t say that ‘those guys are lazy’ or ‘not trying’ or go that far, like plenty of people out there do, unless I was talking about the Cavs over the last few years, or some other team that was actually throwing games by playing with less than professional effort.

            I guess what it is is that guys are being pros but they’re pacing themselves because they have to because its an 82 game season. Then, at some point, the better team turns it up to make a run that decides the game. It can come at any time really. Last season, most of the time, opponents were pacing themselves against the Celtics.

            One thing about having KG on your team; you don’t get many games like that. All the talk fires guys up and they say ‘screw it’ to pacing themselves. It’s great for the fans, and it does make a team stronger in the long run to face a tougher challenge every night. But it also leads to nights where KG calls out the Cavs and they turn it on for a change, and Kyrie Irving owns the 4th quarter and you lose the game. Also, some teams still turn it on just because it’s The Boston Celtics they are playing. But from what I saw, it wasn’t a great year for even that, probably because so many teams weren’t trying anyway.

          • zippittyay

            AB did most of his offensive damage to the opponents in the first 7 minutes of the game, for whatever that’s worth.

          • frickenWaaaltah

            Looking now and yeah, the objective record does show that last year was a new and big improvement for him:

            2012-13 shot chart:
            http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1216-Avery-Bradley/season/2012-2013-REG

            2013-14 shot chart:
            http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1216-Avery-Bradley/season/2013-2014-REG

            I guess I still think it’s partly because of how weak the overall end-product was last year, as I’m still not completely sold on him for 8 mil a year, but yeah I guess it’s true that I still have been thinking of him as more like the 2012-2013 AB.

        • Curt Hays

          A garbage year would mean that he was guarded more closely because of crappy teammates, wouldn’t it?

    • BillRussell

      He has improved offensively and defensively every year in the league. He has an incredible work ethic,drive and great head on his shoulders- those are the kind of people you give a contract like this too. and with the exception of the playoffs 2 years ago without Rondo he hasn’t really had “off nights” defensively. The superstars of the league past and present; Currys, Durants, Lebrons, Jordans, Birds, Wests, Barrys, Chamberlain are always going to get their 28 ppg+ its always been about containing them, not stopping them. Arguably the greatest offensive player of all time Chamberlain would score 60+ on Russell- and Russell is the greatest defensive player (and overall player) of all time.
      -i like the signing and if Bradley continues to improve and that is especially possible with a Healthy Rondo/Bradley duo- this Bradley signing could look like a steal in a year or too.

    • Lewis35

      Couldn’t agree more!

  • BillRussell

    **********Greatest Players of all time*****************

    – Dr. James Naismith
    -Bill Russell
    -Wilt Chamberlain
    -Lou Alcindor
    -Bird/Magic/Big O -all interchangeable there-

    –lol always thought saying Naismith is the best was hysterical.

    • RedsLoveChild

      No Jordan?

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  • zippittyay

    Best player on the team when healthy.

  • Jester00

    I see a late 80’s Pistons Back court undersized, tough D, 3 guard rotation!! Get rid of Bass, Green, and Wallace we may have something here!!!!!!!!!

  • dingding

    the same guy who got burned by Fat Felton! yep that’s overpriced

  • dingding

    Ainge is burning the Celtics organization to the ground with bad deals after bad deals. good job ainge

  • south dakota celts fan

    Is Danny Ainge insane? Guaranteed $32M for a role player who is too small for big guard and not skilled to play point guard? No wonder the C’s have become the laughing stock when they bid against themselves for mediocre talent. Ainge refuses to admit that he erred when drafting bradley so he throws ridiculous money to him to justify drafting him. Makes as much sense as their trade of 1st round pick for Potapenko and then giving him HUGE 6 year contract. Day 1 that I saw Potapenlo on the court for the C’s I saw that he stunk (and so did everyone else). This organization constantly way OVERPAYS for average players, and Ainge keep that tradition alive with Bradley’s contract!