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Your Morning Dump… Where Smart & Rondo can coexist

John - Red's Army (@RedsArmy_John) June 27, 2014 Draft, James Young, Marcus Smart, The Morning Dump 65 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Asked if Rondo and Smart can coexist on the floor, Ainge added: “Absolutely. No question. And [Smart] and Avery. No question. He’s a very versatile player. He can play off the ball. He can handle the ball. With his length and his size, he can probably play against a lot of small forwards — 6-3, long wingspan, 230 pounds. He’s a very versatile player. Easily those guys can play together, and I think they would really thrive playing together, all of them.”

Ainge’s sentiments were echoed by coach Brad Stevens.

“I don’t think there’s any doubt. I think [Smart and Rondo] can play together,” said Stevens. “I think it will be great for Marcus to have a guy like Rondo to look up to, to learn from. Not many guys get that opportunity, especially early on in the draft like this. Marcus is another guy that I was thrilled that he was there at 6, because, physically, he’s ready to play, and he competes every single minute of every single day. That will do nothing but help your team, regardless of what position he’s playing.”

ESPN Boston: C’s confident Smart, Rondo can coexist

“That wasn’t a topic of conversation tonight,” Grousbeck said when asked about how Smart might fit in with Rondo and Avery Bradley. “We have confidence in Brad that he can manage a roster. We also had confidence in the top six, we were going to take the best available rather than slot in. That’s a strategy when you are rebuilding a team, you take the best available athlete and let it all work out. We got an All-Star point guard so that’s not the question here.”

Grousbeck added later: “I don’t think this has any impact on Rajon at all.”

Boston.com:  Ainge: Celtics Have No Plans to Trade Rondo Despite Marcus Smart Pick

It’s easy to have that reaction.

“We took a point guard.”
“We HAVE a point guard.”
“Wait, are we getting a new point guard?”

I had it last night on Celtics Stuff Live (which was supposed to have JR Giddens on, but technical issues prevented that from happening).  It’s the natural reaction.

If you love Rondo, you’re worried… “oh shit… does this mean we’re trading Rondo?”

If you hate Rondo, you’re excited… “OH SHIT… THIS MEANS WE’RE TRADING RONDO!!”

But the Celtics insist that Rondo is not on the move.

Now… Goodman is a certified Rondo hater.  He looks for every reason to speculate that Rondo is going to be moved.  He spent an entire mock draft conducted over Twitter with ESPN cohorts trying to trade Rondo to everyone.  If he’s resigned himself to reporting that Rondo won’t be moved, then maybe the Celtics really, truly, honestly are trying to make this work. 

Or maybe it’s all bullshit.

I truly believe that actually drafting these players was Plan B or Plan C all along.  Plan A was to move at lest one or both picks in the Kevin Love trade.  Plan B was to move 6 to Sacramento for 8 and Ben McLemore.  Plan C might have been for the Celtics to trade 6 to anyone willing to give up anything to move down or out of this draft.  But when none of that materialized, they took the best athlete available in Marcus Smart.

It’s not a bad worst-case scenario.  Today’s NBA is slowly becoming position-less, with multiple guys with multiple skills sharing a floor they couldn’t have in the past.  It’s not a stretch to think the Celtics believe that, should they not be able to pull off any kind of trade this summer, Rondo and Smart will figure out a way to make it work in the same backcourt.  Ainge even hinted that the C’s could trot out a small lineup of Rondo, Bradley, and Smart at the 3 if they decided to just throw a bunch of crazy athletes on the floor.

We’ll have to wait and see on that.  If one thing has been made perfectly clear, the Celtics are hell-bent on making a trade this summer.  Wyc Grousbeck has already warned us to prepare for fireworks, and last night he told everyone “trade season isn’t over yet,” which is true.  In fact, it’s just begun.

As I said on last night’s show, fans are victims of the bad season following so many good ones.  We’ve all been so used to a much shorter time frame between the end of the season and the draft.  Now, with more than two months between anything significant happening for the Celtics (and so many rumors in between), fans had gotten jacked up for a monumental draft night that completely re-shaped the entire franchise.

Now it didn’t happen, and some fans are pissed.  But the reality is last night was just the starter’s pistol on a marathon of a summer.   We’ve got three full months to go before any of this means anything.  Smart’s Celtics career might last for a week in July in the Orlando Summer Pro League, or it could last 15 years.  Rondo could retire a Celtic, or be throwing lobs to Paul George for all we know.

For now, the Celtics will insist these guys can play together.  And maybe, in today’s NBA, they can.  But I’d be holding off on any jersey purchases this summer… just in case.

Related links:  Globe:  Celtics bolster backcourt with Marcus Smart, James Young  |  Herald:  Smart appreciative of chance to play in Boston  |  Boston.com:  Smart could mean changes for Boston’s backcourt  |  CSNNE:  Celtics like Smart because he’s “an instigator” |  Calipari:  What the Celtics can expect from Young  |  ESPN Boston:  Wicked Smart?  No fireworks, just picks  | WEEI: Wyc: Drafting Smart has no impact on Rondo  |  Wyc Grousbeck thinks of Red when drafting Smart:  He’s an instigator and a bull  |  MassLive:  Celtics consider Smart one of the top competitors in basketball

Page 2:  …. Brad Stevens is thrilled with the James Young pick

“I’m taking on every challenge myself,” he said. “My game can improve. There’s going to be a lot of expectations, but I just have to be myself and give it my all.”

To hear Celtics coach Brad Stevens tell it, Young is something of a prodigy with range.

“James’ MO is that he’s always been a scorer,” said Stevens. “He shot it at 35 percent from 3 and 45 percent from two. He’s a guy who can shoot it, he has a stroke that’s just going to get better and better. We felt he was a very, very undervalued scoring wing. Everyone in the room had him ranked higher than he went, and were thrilled that he was available at 17.”

Herald:  James Young lights up Brad Stevens

The Young pick has been a bit polarizing.

On the plus side, he has the potential to be a tremendous scorer.  Danny Ainge, in his post-draft comments, talked about how well Young shot throughout his high school career, and that his performance at Kentucky may have been a bit of an aberration.

On the negative side, sometimes performance issues at the next level aren’t temporary.  Sometimes, competing against guys that are a lot better than the competition you’re used to exposes the warts in your game.  Plus, I’ve had Kentucky fans tell me Young is a “bonehead.” So….

This is where I suggest that life under Brad Stevens could be just what the doctor ordered for Young.  It’s not a stretch at all to suggest a 17th pick can become a star player.  Young does have the ability to score the ball, and the Celtics are looking for their future small forward.  Maybe he’s the guy.

I’m clearly not sold on him, but the Celtics clearly saw something in the workouts and interviews that made them feel comfortable in what some are calling a reach at 17.  Here’s hoping they do.

Related links:  Boston.com:  Get to know James Young  |  WEEI:  Drafting Young at 17 was a “great steal”

And Finally….

The best moment of the draft…

Adam Silver gets it.  This guy’s career as Commish is off to a rockin’ start.

The rest of the links:

Globe:  Rebuilding the Celtics will take some time  |  Celtics may have found the best combo in deep draft  |  Stevens focused on winning  |  First round picks through the years  |  Red Auerbach’s drafts were informal and uninformed  |  Cavs pursuit of Love said to sputter |  Herald:  Brass likes way two new Celtics fit in  |  LeBron James a big fan of Napier pick  |  CSNNE:  Blakely’s draft grades  |  Celtics stand pat, but still open to trading   |  Stevens:  Fingers crossed that Smart and Young were still there  |  Campus Insiders: (video) Steve Pagliuca on Marcus Smart and James Young  |  MassLive:  Austin Rivers drawing interest from Ainge?

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  • bill_nair

    Our summer league team should be fun to watch with KO, Smart and Young.

    • CFH

      Pressey, Johnson, Babb… Ainge should just go ahead and let Sully join in like he was asking to do. We could watch last year’s whole damn team with the two draft picks.

      • Herman Bubbert

        The summer league is meaningless and boring.

        • bill_nair

          So dont watch it debby downer.

        • eddysamson

          not when theres this massive void of no sports called July.

          • LA Flake

            What’s the matter with you?
            WNBA! They got next…or something.

            Sexist!

          • Jaedre

            LOL

          • Curt Hays

            Back up…the WNBA…that is the most painful thing I’ve ever watched. They are terrible.

      • bill_nair

        I hope Colt and Fav play too. Patric Young went undrafted as well as Mcadoo and CJ Fair. Id like to get one of them (Young).

        • adam

          Colt did alright in Turkey from the reports I hear. Might take him another year or playing as a back up for a year.

    • RedwasKing

      This is why I have been saying we should draft Marcus Smart for the last week. FTA is the biggest indicator or a pure scorer at the NBA level

  • dingding

    They can co-exist, remember E’Twaun Moore (Marcus Smart), he co-exist with rondo right? and JaJuan Johnson (James Young). Lol. Nice pick Ainge

    • tvor03

      what a horrible comparison. Moore is no where near the player Smart is. And Johnson and Young don’t even play the same position. you should change your name to dingdong.

      • dingding

        nah, after this season you’ll remember what I’ve posted.

        • Kahnstantine

          No…no one will. Not ever, or for any reason.

      • Curt Hays

        LOL IRL

    • Shane

      Comparing E’Twaun Moore to Marcus Smart, and JaJuan Johnson to James Young, might be two of the worst comparisons I’ve ever seen in my life. If you are not being saracastic, (for the sake of your IQ, I hope you are) then you need to reevaluate your ability to assess talent. I’m no scout, but even I can see the difference between those players. Also, the, “co-exist,” argument wasn’t around when we drafted both Moore and Johnson, so your point is moot. Pump the brakes.

      • dingding

        they may have different styles but in the end they will have the same results = disappointment. Ainge is a bad GM.

        • Shane

          You do realize that Ainge brought us our first championship since the 1986 season, and 5 seasons of competitive basketball thereafter? And that, last season, he managed to compile a ridiculous number of assets in return for two fading stars? And that, relative to other GMs, he has a great record finding talent in the draft? Saying that Ainge is anything but a top 5-10 GM is absurd. He gave us a championship and has put us in a position to succeed, yet again.

          • Kahnstantine

            Yup. In Danny I Trust.

            This guy is a troll.

          • Curt Hays

            Yep, don’t feed the trolls. 4200 comments and someone who we haven’t seen here? Yeah, a professional troll.

          • Curt Hays

            You’re right, Shane, but you’re just encouraging him.

          • dingding

            how about Jeff Green? and the perk trade

    • TheVilleintheA

      Marcus Smart was a media darling in the beginning of the Mens NCAA Basketball season and that hit turbulence after the Texas Tech incident. I’m guessing that he’s more talented than E’Twaun Moore because I can’t say that I heard much about him during his tenure at Purdue. I don’t know if JaJuan Johnson was being considered by NBA scouts before the season started his in freshman year which was the case for James Young. The season was telling because Youngs DEFENSE needed work. But he was definitely a go to guy for scoring. If he works on his defense, James Young can be an asset to the Boston Celtics. I’m making this assessment on Young after watching a good majority of Kentucky games this past season.

  • Herman Bubbert

    We know Smart is a bonehead. At $5,000 a pop for flopping, Smart might as well just set up a direct deposit with the NBA office. The evidence is clear. Young too, eh?

    • Suarez

      Smart was one of the best defensive players in college basketball last year and an outstanding competitor. He is 20 years old. Not a bonehead at all.

      • Jaedre

        not sure why everyone hates Smart… the kid can play!!!

        • Herman Bubbert

          Can’t shoot. Litany of problems in Stillwater besides Tech. The only good thing that comes of this pick is if Ainge ships Rondo out for frontcourt help.

      • Curt Hays

        You gotta learn to just let what he says go in one ear and out the other sometimes. Smart did a bonehead thing at Texas Tech; but who’s to say he didn’t learn from it? Herman’s gon’ hate, just let him hate, and then he’ll be back to saying good things again in no time at all!

  • CFH

    In the late 90s, Danny Ainge coached a Phoenix Suns team where Kevin Johnson had been the popular star for a long time. Then the Suns drafted Steve Nash with an eye toward eventually replacing KJ. Then the Suns had the chance to trade for Jason Kidd, who was early in his prime and and arguably the most dominant point guard in the league. And for two years they just went ahead and played Kidd and KJ together (sometimes with Nash in the mix too, although he didn’t play a lot).

    Of course Ainge would say he thinks Smart/Rondo could play together regardless of whether he thinks they can because he doesn’t want to drive trade value down.

    But there’s an actual history of him doing the two point guard thing as a coach for an extended period with reasonable success.

  • dingding

    Ainge and the Celtics fans are known for hyping their picks remember JaJuan Johnson, Fab Melo etc.

    • Jaedre

      no hype here i seen them both play myself this year and they were good picks. was hoping for embiid to fall but hey gotta live with what we got.

  • tvor03

    I’m a huge Kentucky fan, and I never saw anything that would characterize Young as a “bonehead”. Archie Goodwin was a bonehead. Deandre Liggins was a bonehead. Young was never a bonehead.

    • Suarez

      Some people seen dreads or cornrows and they jump to racist conclusions. I doubt I watched as much Kentucky as you did, but James Young always looked pretty damn good to me.

      • Justin Quinn

        i’m a huge uconn fan, and i agree. great get.

  • bill_nair

    Basketball is too stressful for some of you. You should just go out and meet some women. I promise it’ll make you feel better.

    • eddysamson

      Or, it’ll make you feel significantly worse when you go out to try and fail.

      • bill_nair

        Lifes about risks. Stay inside if your worried about failure.

      • Curt Hays

        Only if you fail 10/10 times. if you succeed 1/10 times, then you win.

        It ain’t like basketball, you don’t have to be over .500! Haha.

  • romeo0119

    Smart is AB insurance, if he go down again because of injury or we can’t afford to resign him, Smart will be playing at SG. I’m a big rondo fan so I’m hoping he stays

  • LA Flake

    Not sure how I feel about this draft. I suppose Danny had to go out and get some guards with RR & AB’s contracts running out.

    I wanna dislike these picks but I love Smart’s fire and Young is an intriguing prospect. OTOH, I’m worried about Rondo who is still our best player and AB who is my personal favorite Celtic.

    Oh fxxk it. LET’S GO CELTICS!!!

    • Curt Hays

      So, obviously he drafted Smart because Smart was the most valuable guy left. We needed a 7-footer, a shooter, and trade bait. There were no remaining 7-footers that we would want, and James Young is the new shooter we needed. If he works hard, he could be the replacement for Ray Allen that we so desperately need.

      Smart is a cheap alternative to signing another PG, but he’s also GREAT trade bait. If Colton Iverson will improve enough, and Vitor will do something worth a crap, we might make have enough talent to trade for a star by the trade deadline. We need Varejao or Gortat in the worst way.

      Let’s go Celtics!

      • LA Flake

        James Young is 18, so I’m highly high on him.

        • Curt Hays

          Me too. I expect him to be great. I kinda hope we can keep Avery Bradley for match ups.

          • LA Flake

            I do not want to lose Bradley either. There are a lot of scorers but not enough defenders in this league. We have one, maybe two with Smart on the team now. We need to keep Avery!

          • Curt Hays

            Same here. With the way he can shut down the other team’s ball handler, we don’t have to score or rebound as much.

          • LA Flake

            Yup. AB shutting down DWade was awesome. But when he showed how he can shut down Steph Curry, Russell Westbrook and Damian Lillard? I was smitten for good.

          • Curt Hays

            dat block

      • Justin Quinn

        patric young would be a good get given he was undrafted. hope they are thinking of him.

        • Curt Hays

          I have a tough time thinking he’d be more valuable than Varejao (who has been replaced by Hawes) or Gortat. DC is stupid, they won’t keep him.

          • Justin Quinn

            can’t argue with that. kendrick perkins is probably his ceiling, and tbh, i think it’s probably 70-80% of that. really, he’s just a wall of muscle that can get def rebs and draw fouls with an occasional bucket in the post.

          • Curt Hays

            Ah, okay. Thanks for sharing the info

  • Curt Hays

    “Today’s NBA is slowly becoming position-less…”

    Sure, for the teams that aren’t winning. Look at San Antonio, OKC, and Indiana. They have distinct roles still. I realize that a squad of five 6’8″ guys might be just fine to start a game nowadays. The game probably is changing, but I think the Stanford guy who said there are 13 positions got it right.

    • adam

      Curt, when does free Agency start for the NBA this year? Is it Mid July or early July?

      • eddysamson

        July 1 I believe

        • adam

          thanks! i couldn’t find anything online about either.

      • Curt Hays

        I think it is the 10th.

        • adam

          thanks!

          • Curt Hays

            It IS the first.

  • zippittyay

    I can’t help but think if we were going to just get a couple of guards, we should have gotten Nick Stauskas and Tyler Ennis.

    • Herman Bubbert

      Someone who can score is actually a novel idea. Should have gotten a memo to Ainge before the draft.

  • Frank Aziza

    I’m excited to see these guys play. I think we have a rookie of the year.

  • BIG_HITTA1

    what is almost as good as trading Rondo last night??? getting his replacement last night!!!!! Plus Rondo wants NO part of the re-building party and probably already told Danny “get me outta here!!!”.

  • Mike C

    Great show last night @John. You have calmed my anxiety ‘Somewhat’. Maybe this move was a plan B or C, and finally we were just forced to take the best available talent. I definitely am ‘Guilty’ of the instant gratification scenario you guys discussed last night. That was a ‘VERY’ hard season to watch, …Tanking for position, then it felt like forever waiting to see where are draft position would be. Kevin Love visits Boston, and gets my hopes up,…. Wait some more to see who we draft (duplicate of a position we dont need). Where are the damn ‘FIREWORKS’ already!! Sorry John, “I admit it”, I’m ‘Homer Simpson’, ….”What do you mean I have to wait 40 seconds? I’ll give them tell the start of next season, BUT, if Smart and Young ends up being our ‘Power Move’ for 57 losses last season, I’m going to be PISSED!!

  • dingding

    “Today’s NBA is slowly becoming position-less” duhh! I haven’t seen any Center playing Point Guard