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Your Morning Dump…Where the C’s and Cavs discussed the first pick

Chris Jones June 25, 2014 The Morning Dump 57 Comments
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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

The Boston Celtics have engaged the Cleveland Cavaliers about acquiring the No. 1 pick in Thursday’s NBA Draft but no deal is imminent, according to CSNNE.com’s A. Sherrod Blakely.

If the Celtics do somehow land the top pick, they would likely choose between Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker. Blakely’s sources tell him they would lean toward the former.

But Cleveland won’t surrender the No. 1 pick cheaply, and already reportedly have other strong offers to choose from. According to ESPN, the Magic are willing to part ways with Arron Afflalo, the No. 4 pick and the No. 12 pick. It’s tough to see Boston exceeding that offer without including star point guard Rajon Rondo — and the Cavaliers’ best player, Kyrie Irving, plays the same position.

Masslive – Boston Celtics have inquired about obtaining number one pick

Not too surprising to hear Ainge at least picking up the phone to Cleveland. Between LeBron James’ free agency, blowing last year’s top pick, and being expected to draft Wiggins or Parker (who would potentially overlap with James), trading the pick may make some sense. It’d be a gamble for Cleveland, as LeBron seems more likely to return to Miami to form a discounted super team. That said, there are offers worth considering. Unfortunately, the Celtics are likely the worst of those offers.

Orlando reportedly offered the fourth pick, 12th pick, and Arron Afflalo for the first, and Utah’s offered the fifth pick and Derrick Favors. Any Celtics deal would likely include the sixth and 17th pick, along with a young player like Sullinger or Olynyk. Sound a lot like the Love trade? I’m not sure Danny Ainge would really be willing to part with the following just to have a chance to draft first in a class of players he’d defined as overrated — but who knows how he truly values the top players at this point.

For Cleveland, they’d be adding a power-forward in Sullinger or Olynyk and could then take the sixth pick to further bolster their frontcourt. The trade is incredibly unlikely, as it largely hinges on the ability of them to sign LeBron, and that’s something that won’t happen before draft night. But (though if there’s any team in the NBA who should be afraid of owning the first pick — it’ Cleveland).

So if we pulled off a trade for the first pick, how would you spend it? Jabari or Wiggins? Trade it for Kevin Love?

 Page 2: Brian Scalabrine may be joining Doc’s staff

Source: Scalabrine to Join Clippers Staff: Brian Scalabrine is a candidate to join Doc Rivers’ staff as an ass… http://t.co/KxCPI5FcfB

— Basketball Insiders (@BBallInsiders) June 25, 2014

“Brian Scalabrine is a candidate to join Doc River’s staff as an ass.” You do you, Scal. But good for him. Mark Jackson’s reign in Golden State led to Scal being banished from the bench and forced to watch D-Leauge games. Brining in Steve Kerr would probably result in returning to the bench, but if he’s got a chance to join Doc in LA, I can’t see why he wouldn’t inquire. I’m not too familiar with the rules behind contracts for assistants and scouts. For example: it seems odd to me that the Celtics let Ron Adams meet with the Warriors and ultimately leave while he was still under contract here.

Doc did just lost Tyronn Lue to Cleveland, so Scal could very well help cover that loss if this does follow through.

The Rest of the links – 

CSNNE – What would Ainge do if he had the number one pick? – Where will LeBron James go? – Gasper: Cavs insane if they trade first pick

Grantland - Ready for Love or time to Klay? – NBA Draft Confidential

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  • Lewis35

    I heard this news last night and my first thought was “it’s going to cost a ton to get that pick from the cavs”. Any other year id say go for it but with such a deep draft there is that potential that the 6th pick ends up being just as good if not better than the first. I d love to see them take the gamble on Embiid but I doubt he’ll still be around. Vonleh, Gordon, or Randle seem just fine and then with the 17th if Levine is gone draft shabazz just to keep him from the Heat who want him badly.

  • BillRussell

    Is it just wishful thinking that we’ll get Embiid?

    • KGino

      Yes, Bill. I don’t see him slipping all the way to 6.

      But if he does, I hope you’ll be there to tutor him

      • adam

        oh man, Bill Russell tutor Embiid. You think it could happen? Or would Embiied be better off talking to Hakeem or Shaq.

        • Curt Hays

          He’d be better off spending time with the Suns’ trainers.

  • Herman Bubbert

    If Doc’s looking for an ass, Jeff Van Gundy is still available.

    • Curt Hays

      Doc definitely has an advantage over JVG in regards to team chemistry and leadership, but in regards to actual coaching…I think JVG would wipe the floor with him. Even more so when you consider how well JVG knows Doc’s style. Heck, SVG would destroy this season Doc if Doc was still in Boston…even IF we had a good lineup.

      • LA Flake

        Agreed. JVG > Doc. All day, everyday. Even if Doc helped bring us #17.

  • Curt Hays

    Danny wants Jabari Parker. He’s the best player in the draft.

    • LA Flake

      I’d crap in my pants if we ended up with Jabari. But I’d also crap in my pants if we ended up with Wiggins or Embiid.

      I don’t usually crap in my pants but when I do, my pants’ value increases.

      Dos Equis for everyone on me!

      • Curt Hays

        But you have Corona in your photo…

        In 2011, I told all my friends that I’d crap my pants in front of them if we won the ship. I’m sorta glad we lost…

        • LA Flake

          Well, yeah, but I live in LA. I have the right to be stoopid.

  • Curt Hays

    What if we got Jabrari Parker and Kevin Love? What would we be giving up? Would it be worth it? Rondo is my favorite player now that KG is more of a morale guy than a player to cheer for, but I almost think that, as a Celtic, I have to be okay with Jabrari and Love.

    Maybe something like this?

    We receive:
    Jabrari
    Love

    We lose:
    Rondo
    Sullinger
    Both first round picks
    Keith Bogans
    Brandon Bass
    Others

    • adam

      Yeah what is the point cleaning house for kevin love or the 1st pick if we are left with nothing. if we could get the first pick for green, 6 and 17 i’d do it. but not much more.

      • Curt Hays

        I’m with you, but what if it was Love AND the first pick?

        • RedsLoveChild

          Curt, hate breaking the news…but, that package you listed above…it`s not nearly enough to get Love or the 1st pick, let alone both.

          • Curt Hays

            Yeah, I don’t figure that, that’s why I put “Others” at the end. I realize it gets worse. I guess I’m just asking if having Jabrari AND Love (as unlikely as getting KG and Ray Allen in the same Summer) is worth losing our stars.

          • KGino

            Who’s Jabrari? Some weird variation of jabroni? haha

            And Curt, the package you listed above (Rondo, Sully, Bass, & both picks) is DEFINITELY enough to get Love. Don’t take that from him. Theres not a GM in the league, money/other technicalities aside, that wouldn’t trade Love straight up for Rondo Sully Bass 6 17 and possibly others. That’s just crazy talk.

          • LA Flake

            I think it’s too much for Love. And getting Love would be kinda pointless if we lose Rondo in the process. Love and Rondo go together. You want Rondo? I’m hanging up the phone.

          • KGino

            I’m just saying hypothetically. You’re right, that is way too much for love, I would never make that deal. That’s essentially a built team already.

            Rondo
            #13
            #6
            Sully
            Dieng

            Bench: Bass, #17, whoever else they have. No way T-wolves turn that down.

          • Curt Hays

            LOL, if he goes to another team, then yes it is Jabroni Parker. @jerrysondler:disqus has a point, but I’m not informed enough to know what is enough. The fact is, Rondo isn’t enough, but without Rondo we will be in trouble as well.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Hey Curt, pretend you`re the T-Wolves….

            You`ve already said “no” Sully, KO, Bass, and the 6th/17th picks for Love.
            You already have Rubio as your PG.

            Ask yourself—-Is the inclusion of Rondo {who`ll make $10M more next year than Rubio, before seeking his max contract, and is 4 years older than Rubio} gonna make you scream, “Oh Yeah, now I will send Love to Boston!”?

          • Curt Hays

            I’m holding firm to the belief that they said no in order to continue to posture to see what else they could get.

            Even so, they could dump Rubio and Love for Rondo. If we ended up with Rubio, Love, and Jabrari, there’s your new big three.

            Under Brad Stevens, it just might be awesome.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Posturing is always a possibilty….but, they run the risk of Boston sending some of those assets elsewhere in pursuit of other trade opportunities.

          • forever_green

            By now I feel as if Minnesota has already made a verbal agreement with someone for Love, to be announced tomorrow. ..hope it’s us.

          • Curt Hays

            Also, regardless of HOW it happens, I’m really just asking if it is enough to make us happy? You’re points are valid.

          • KGino

            Yea Curt… you already have a guy with a career 36.8 FG%…why would you want to upgrade him 47.5 FG% shooter who has won a championship, is a triple double threat every playoff game, and is equal or better in every other facet of the game?

            Like i said, money/technicalities aside. Talent wise, you make that deal 10/10 times. And if they traded love they’d have plenty of $ for rondo.

          • RedsLoveChild

            “Money technicalities aside” LOL!!!

            Welcome to the real NBA world of “money technicalities”… salary caps, free agency, etc.

            As if Minny is going to satisfy Rondo`s desire for a max contract…as if Rondo wants to chase a title there…as if Rondo is fully recovered from surgery…as if SAC sees Rondo worth nothing more than the 8th pick and 5`9″ I. Thomas…as if Rondo was anything more than a “passenger” on the 2008 title team…

          • KGino

            I put the disclaimer money/technicalities aside bc obviously you cannot trade 5 players and 2 picks for 1 player and have it work…. In other words, if they could manipulate all the technicalities that come along with that trade (free up roster space, $, etc.), there’s no way they don’t make it. Rondo, #6, #13, Sully, Dieng, #17, Bass, + possible others (KO/Jeff Green)?? That’s a great foundation in return for a single player. No one is turning that down.

            As if Minny wouldn’t have the money to pay rondo… As if we weren’t assuming Rondo would re-sign there… As if 22 months isn’t long enough to recover from an 8-12 month injury…As if this is the first time a team has tried to offer pennies for dollars… As if Rondo didn’t still gain 100x more experience than Rubio has just from playing with 3 HOF’s for 5 years…

        • adam

          At the cost of Rondo? We going to have phill pressey run things? can’t draft another point guard with our picks gone. drafting marcus smart or dante exum and pass up on wiggins?

          • Curt Hays

            Obviously we’d have to make more moves to fill that role, and I’m not advocating it…just asking.

            Steez! Or Delonte! Haha. Even Mario Chalmers (kidding)

          • Guest

            i hear norriss cole is available!!!

          • adam

            I hear norriss cole is available.

          • Curt Hays

            Yeah, so about that…

  • Lewis35

    I Disagree Jabari may be the third best player in this draft at best. Wiggins and Embiid upside is incomparable to Parker.

    • Curt Hays

      Upside? How do they have higher upside? Parker doesn’t have injuries, and he outweighs Wiggins by 40 pounds. He owns the court. Watching Wiggins play you can tell that he’s great, but a decent portion of what he does is against players who suck. I’m not saying Jabrari only played great teams, but he plays much more deliberately. He decides what to do in an instant and then does it. Wiggins will be awesome, but Jabrari has the edge.

      We don’t need Embiid (I’d gladly take him) because we can pursue Gortat or Asik. Haha, either way, I doubt we get an American born Center.

      • Lewis35

        Karl Malone outweighed MJ by 40 lbs was he a better player??

        • Curt Hays

          Considering that they didn’t play anywhere near one another…how about we talk about Jordan outweighing Stockton?

          This obviously isn’t just about weight…and that’s why weight wasn’t the only thing I mentioned.

          Parker will be rookie of the year. I’m not saying he’ll have the better career, but we know what we’re starting with…and we need a good 3.

          • LA Flake

            Parker, Wiggins or Gordon…They are all so damn young. But supposedly they’re all gym rats and are great character guys. I’d be happy with any one of them but I do fear that we might miss out on a hidden gem of a player who may come out of nowhere and ends up being the next _____. It could be Exum, it could be Smart, it could be Randle…Hell, it could be McDermott.

          • Curt Hays

            I think McDermott will be awesome. I’d be happy with him, you know it.

          • LA Flake

            Or Gary Harris. I love that he’s a sophomore and not a one-and-done player. And some folks are saying he’s the next Bradley Beal. BRADLEY BEAL!!!

            I need to calm down…

          • Curt Hays

            haha, Beal would be nice. He’s better than John Wall. My problem is just that so many of these guys are so small. That’s one of the things that I like about Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, and McDermott. Randle is just small. We all know we’ve got too many 6′ 9″ “bigs”.

          • Curt Hays

            Flake, after reading and reading and then speaking with interested Jayhawks alumni, Andrew Wiggins is going to be Jeff Green. I’m sticking with Parker or Embiid

        • Lewis35

          I watched them both play a lot this past year. Right now id say Jabari’s game is better in two years Wiggins is going to be the better more dynamic scorer no doubt about it. Hey I guess that’s why so many teams are split on them everyone has a different opinion. I wouldn’t be disappointed if they drafted either or. Unfortunately the likely scenario is we end with Gordon who I don’t like at all!!

          • Curt Hays

            You’re right, for sure. But I’d actually be okay with Gordon. At least we’d have trade bait that we could possible use instead of losing Sully/Kelly.

          • Lewis35

            Sorry man far from in love with Sully or Kelly both expendable in my eyes. Role players at best

          • Curt Hays

            That’s fine, but it doesn’t make Gordon UNdesirable. He’s better than anyone we’d get outside of the top 10.

      • Lewis35

        Lol also you think that Kansas’s opponents are crap teams???? last I knew they played in a power conference with the same type of competition that Duke faces. That’s not a fair comparison just isn’t.

        • Curt Hays

          I never said Kansas plays crap teams, but most teams have one or two players that are close to NBA level competition. Wiggins looks good blowing past most college players while Jabrari’s game is one that you can see working against any opponent.

  • Lewis35

    Love is not coming to Boston

  • CFH

    In a fight for the right to draft Jabari, the Celtics would get out-bid by the Jazz, who were also rumored to be talking with Cleveland. A potential star who also happens to be a black Mormon is worth more to the team from Utah than any other team. He just is.

    • LA Flake

      True but the Flaker Nation (all 4 of them) is buzzing with a rumor that they’re trying to package their 7th with Nash in a salary shedding move in order to go after LBJ (LOLOL). If Danny can get their 7th pick without giving up much, then we have the 6th & 7th. That’s enough to entice Cleveland to give up their 1st, IMO.

    • Curt Hays

      You gotta fight, for the right, for Jabraaaaarrrrrri

  • adam

    oh man. Tomorrow night can come soon enough!

  • forever_green

    Obviously moving up in the draft or dealing the pick are the ideal situations, Danny needs to cover his ass, he knew last year’s team was to good to get a top three pick. We need a star player, not mediocre.

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  • bill_nair

    I wish we could get Jabari