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Your Morning Dump… Where the Bulls have a better offer for Kevin Love?

Chuck - Red's Army June 5, 2014 Celtics News, The Morning Dump 41 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

According to team and league sources, that isn’t happening any time soon because the Timberwolves are less than enamored with what Boston can offer them.

The conversation would have adopted a completely different tone had the Celtics landed the first, second or third pick in the draft. The Timberwolves, like everyone else, covet the opportunity to have a crack at one of the troika of Joel Embiid, Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker.

The No. 6 pick isn’t quite so sexy. The Celtics can offer only some combination of that pick and the following: the valuable future Brooklyn picks, the 17th pick this year, Jared SullingerKelly OlynykJeff GreenBrandon BassKeith Bogans‘ expiring $5.05 million contract (if they can do it before July 1).

In other words, pretty much anything Minnesota wants.

The Timberwolves privately maintain they already have fielded better offers from other teams, among them the Chicago Bulls, who can offer draft picks and some combination of Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson along with Carlos Boozer, whose bloated $16.8 million contract expires next summer and represents the kind of cap space rebuilding teams crave.

ESPN Boston

After days of listening to the talking heads in the Boston media speculate on absurd rumor and offer little substance, it’s refreshing to have Jackie MacMullan – Boston’s best basketball insider – drop some real insight on the Kevin Love situation.

Jackie says the Wolves aren’t enamored with Boston’s assets. Seriously? You’re telling me that if Danny Ainge offered Sullinger, Bass, Bogans salary dump, #6, #17 and two additional 1st rounders over the next 3 years, that Minnesota would refuse?

The Herald’s Mark Murphy reports today that Danny Ainge has yet to make a formal offerfor Love and is scheming to move up in the draft.

Let’s examine that Bulls package of players and picks.

Jimmy Butler is a rising defensive star. He was named 2nd team All Defense this year. Boston can counter with the #6 pick. If Minny wants a defensive stud they can draft Aaron Gordon. I’ll be any prospect available at #6 projects higher than Butler.

Taj Gibson averaged 13 points and 7 rebounds (16.07 PER) this season. He’s a solid two way player. But at 28, you have to believe he’s at his peak. Jared Sullinger averaged 13 points, 8 rebounds (16.42 PER) this season. He’s 22 and only getting better. Conditioning questions aside, I insist Sullinger has a higher ceiling. And let’s not forget that Gibson is owed $24 million over the next 3 years.

Boozer’s $16 million comes off the books next season. But Keith Bogan’s $5 million is an immediate dump. Brandon Bass has one more year at $6.9 million. The Celtics can make up the difference with additional expiring contracts; Joel Anthony and Vitor Faverani. This is a wash.

Chicago has the 16th and 19th selections this year. The Celtics additional 1st rounder is 17th. The Celtics have 2 1st rounders in 2015, Chicago has 1 (but could swap with CLE if Cavs not in lottery). Chicago has 1 1st rounder in 2016, the Celtics have 2 1st rounders. Celtics have the advantage in volume.

What am I missing? I don’t see how Chicago can trump Boston. I believe all of these reports about Minnesota not loving Boston’s assets is posturing as they try to squeeze more out of Danny Ainge.

The rest of the links:

CSNNE – Akeem Williams happy to get workout with Cs | Who says Adrien Payne is too old? | Swiss big man Capela could interest Cs | ESPN Boston – Age old issue for Payne | For Akeem, Cs workout a dream | SI.com – Cs locked in on Gordon |

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  • NE_Celt

    I think you could def be right…I am just hoping that DA does what he does and drops a bomb and somehow gets us the better side of the deal…which he often does…”In Danny we trust”!

    • Curt Hays

      [All chant in response]: “In Danny We Trust”

      • BillRussell

        Curt what do you think our best option at getting a center is? a friend of mine had mentioned that Detroit was potentially interested in a Jeff Green for Greg Monroe swap- I’ve not heard anything about that tho

        • Curt Hays

          Greg Monroe is a pretty obtainable prospect because they have Andre Drummond on such a small contract. Detroit’s problem is Josh Smith’s contract. I’d be surprised if they wanted to put Jeff Green next to Josh Smith. It might work, but I don’t see it. Andre Drummond with Brandon Bass on the court is going to be a stellar combo, so they might like that better.

          As far as getting a Center? There is Monroe (who is probably overrated) and Asik (who is a top player, but expensive), and there’s also Larry Sanders. Larry is a Risk because he keeps smoking pot and getting in trouble for it, but he is THE player we have needed for quite some time.

          • Fitzy

            I could see a Green-Smith-Drummond frontcourt working. Green is an ept floor spreader whereas Smith is not whatsoever. Allows Smith to play close to the rim on defense (in addition to drummond) and Green plays pretty well defensively when he’s motivated as well. Smith could work in a high low with drummond where he’s not required to play 25 feet from the basket as well.

          • Curt Hays

            It could be a big help for them. Stan Van Gundy might make that team shine. Keeping Smith near the paint is a no-brainer, but neither guy is a go-getter. On paper it looks great.

          • Fitzy

            yes of course it revolves around the coach. You give that frontcourt to Pop and see what happens.

          • LA Flake

            Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a sec!
            A basketball player smoking weed is a problem??? Since when? Says who? I won’t believe you! I can’t hear you! It’s not true! It’s not true!!! Say you’re sorry now! Apologize!!!

          • Curt Hays

            He was smoking it on-court during the playoffs, and he wasn’t even using a vaporizer! That’s when the refs finally started calling the game correctly.

          • LA Flake

            Then we MUST get him at all cost!!!

          • Curt Hays

            The costs will be high, but you know his favorite color is green. He really does light up the competition out there. His best option is Denver…just really glad there’s no team in Seattle to pursue him!

          • LA Flake

            And I understand you have to be high to truly appreciate his game.

          • LA Flake

            IMO, Monroe > Asik. Greg Monroe is a beast. Asik quit on his team over playing time.

          • Curt Hays

            I understand that sentiment, but he did ask for a trade immediately upon them receiving Dwight Howard. I’m not saying I like the guy better for it. He was making a point that he deserves to be the starter. He knew he’d never start over Dwight. I’m willing to give him a second chance considering how good he is.

  • Curt Hays

    This is actually a really helpful post, @facebook-100001752720295:disqus. I was afraid of Boozer’s contract dump being a big help for Chicago, but you’re totally right about Bass’s contract being much less of a risk.

    My concern is that they run out of time after the draft if they have to trade the Bogans contract by July 1.

    • chuckmckenney

      Deal has to be done by draft night because all of Boston’s value is in this draft with picks 6 and 17.

      • Curt Hays

        Oh yeah, duh.
        …need…more…coffee.

        Is the perception of Chicago that they’re closer to being a contender than we are and therefore they have more to offer? I mean, Jimmy Butler’s shut-down defense along with Boozer’s scoring is a really nice add. If you send them Sully and Bass, they just get two similar players who shouldn’t be on the court at the same time. They are good trade options or whatever, but is it maybe a perception (that ignores the potential) that is giving Chicago and “edge”?

        • Fitzy

          Butler is inept on offense. Rose went down and people were expecting big things from him and he faltered. If they choose a package around those 2 Flip will be made a laughing stock.

          • Curt Hays

            Ok, thanks.

          • Fitzy

            lol but that’s my opinion :). I just can’t really see the logic in someone taking taj gibson and butler over a young up and comer a higher pick and a veteran. I realize they’d never be on the floor together but Bass normally came off the bench for us in the prior era and performed well. depth is never a bad thing.

          • Curt Hays

            I’m with you. The more I think about the post, the more I think that @chuckmckenney:disqus is totally right.

          • Fitzy

            Where can i find his opinion?
            EDIT: if above i found it lol. I agree for the most part. Not really willing to include the 17th if they’re getting more draft picks. Personally I believe it’s posturing to up the ante from the whole field.

          • Curt Hays

            At this point, I view every decision Flip makes as posturing except for his decision to coach. He’s a fine coach, but he may just be stepping in so that he can save some money.

  • pierce Hart

    No matter the lottery pick you know it’s been a good season for the front office when you go from no assets to having the most in the league

  • romeo0119

    This year first 2 picks, Sullinger, Bass, Bogans salary dump and 2 more first round for the next year and year after? Hell no, thats too many picks for my liking. Better hold on to those Brooklyn picks.

    • tvor03

      If it’s Clippers 2015 and our 2016, would it really be that big of a loss? It would be two mid-20′s picks.

      • Double P

        Rondo was #22 overall, Sullinger #20. It is a big loss

        • tvor03

          Every now again a good player comes from that area, but more often than not they don’t.

  • RedsLoveChild

    What the T-Wolves really want from Boston is obvious :
    Sully…the #6…and the two future Brooklyn picks

    That`s the price the Celtics are looking at…Minny has no interest in Boston`s “garbage” {Green, Bass, Bogans, the Clipper pick, etc.}

    • Curt Hays

      That’s a sweet deal for Minny, but do you really think they wouldn’t take the Bogans contract?

      • Fitzy

        They can waive the Bogans contract so that’s essentially a non-factor for Minny in terms of “garbage,” but we’d need to match salaries which is the only reason why we need to send more than Bogans, Sully, and #6.

        • Curt Hays

          Sully, Bass, Bogans would work for salaries. Add a pick and it would work. If @jerrysondler:disqus (Danny Ainge) is correct, then you’d want to add Bogans in order to help make it work. Does the Trade Exception from Pierce not help us get the rest of the way?

          • Fitzy

            Not really you can only go 25% above the value of the trade exception in order to match the salaries which love is not eligible for (did the math) and you cannot use it in combination with player salaries if I read the CBA faq correctly

  • jgtwentysix

    Well, if the C’s haven’t made an offer yet, ANY offer another team makes is better. So these statements from Minny can be both true and deceiving. It doesn’t make sense to make an offer now if they’re not gonna accept one until draft night anyway.

  • adam

    If Minny want’s picks we have them. But I don’t think we should give up anything near for what we gave for Garnett. They are not the same player. Yes Garnett was older, but he was a beast and 7-8 years older than Love is now.

  • adam
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  • http://disqus.com/ Steve Roy

    “Minnesota Timberwolves president and part-owner Flip Saunders has decided to coach the team himself.” If this isn’t a sign to storm the castle and steal all the treasure, then I don’t know what is.

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