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Your Morning Dump… Where Miami is still giving credit to the Celtics


Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump. 

After dropping 32 points, 10 rebounds and five assists on the hapless Pacers — and two renditions of his new specialty, the dunk-and-stomp — James said of Stephenson’s tactics, “I got a smirk out of it.”

“I don’t need any motivation,” James said. “I’m motivated enough to try to get back to the Finals. That’s motivating enough.”

He needed a villain, and Stephenson foolishly volunteered. James and the Heat never really found an enemy worthy of their indignation during a sleep-walk through the regular season — and mostly, through the first two rounds of the playoffs against Charlotte and Brooklyn. They never encountered a team that was even close to what the old Celtics used to bring out of them.

“We played Boston a lot, and they made it more than just basketball,” Dwyane Wade said. “They beat us in the mental game as well as the physical game.”

The Heat are now beating the Pacers at both — so much so, that the best the East’s top-seeded team could do after Game 4 was lament the 34-17 disparity in free-throw attempts in the Heat’s favor. It’s a little late to serve up bulletin board material for the officials, but you know what they say about desperate times.

“We learned some new rules tonight,” West said.

Above all, they learned Rule No. 1: Don’t give LeBron James any more reason to want to beat you than he already has.

CBS Sports NBA: Ken Berger – Lance Stephenson and the Pacers became the villan LeBron needed

While the Miami Heat devour their way through an Eastern Conference sauteed in weak sauce, we still see some references to the former beast in the East known as the Celtics.  Chalk it up as a small victory since the C’s haven’t had any serious relevance for nearly two years.  Since that epic 7-game series where the Celtics nearly should have defeated Miami in 2012, members of the Heat have given them credit for making them tougher, for the team they are now.

It’s remarkable when you think about it really, because that one series was truly the only one that the C’s challenged Miami with both LeBron and Wade (and also Bosh).   Sure, the Celtics beat LeBron and the Cavs in 2008 and 2010.  They also beat Wade in 2010, but in 2011 it wasn’t much of a series especially once Rondo dislocated his elbow and played 3 1/2 games with one arm.  But even when Miami finally eliminated the Celtics with their newly formed super team that year, they celebrated the second round victory more than seemingly any other series, including the championships they’ve won.

Ok maybe not last year after defeating San Antonio, but the point is made.  These guys learned from the physical and mental beatings the Celtics gave them.  They didn’t want to admit it until they first beat the Celtics in 2011, but ever since they have.  So while Lance Stephenson wrongly went after LeBron, while Paul George is calling him out and blaming referees and while Roy Hibbert (you’re 7’2″ all-star) can’t even score a single basket, then blames the coach, well the seasoned Heat have simply beaten them at will.

Hate them all you want, but you can thank your Celtics, in part anyway, for making them so tough, such a machine now.

Related link: SI: Chris Mannix – Indiana Pacers provoke James as Heat’s stars shine in Game 4 rout

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  • eddysamson

    I said it before and I’ll say it again – it was mad sketchy when Ray Allen went from a career year shooting the 3 ball in the 2012 season, to missing nearly every single 3 he shot against Miami in the ECF, only to leave us for the very same team he didn’t show up against less than a month later. Mad sketchy.

  • Rich Jensen

    Figured it out last night: The Heat occupy the same spot as the ‘Bad Boy Pistons’ for C’s fans of a certain age. A younger Miami team ended this 2nd Boston Big Three era the same way a younger Pistons team ended that first era.

    • Curt Hays

      And then there’s the part where one of the big three went to Miami to help them end Boston’s era and extend his own…

      • Rich Jensen

        That’s not why I hate Miami though–Ray’s not a Celtic, and he’s not going to have his number retired.

        I hate Miami because it’s the pinnacle of what is wrong with the NBA: You’ve got your blatant HGH abuse by LeBron and Dwade (they’re Barrybondsing right in front of us), and an NBA structure that puts certain teams at an almost perpetual disadvantage to others. Boston won 16 titles because Red Auerbach was smart, not because players wanted to play in Boston. Now it’s all about the stuff that isn’t even remotely connected with basketball “Oh, I want to play in a place where I can maximize my endorsement money/Build my brand in China/go to the best strip clubs/not get cold/not pay income tax”

        And even though I’m not 100% sold on Rondo, I will say this: He’s not motivated by any of that crap.

        • Curt Hays

          I fully agree with Miami being the pinnacle of it.

          I appreciate players that take a pay cut to play somewhere (Spurs) because it shows that they want to accomplish something. At the same time, when they take a pay cut to play with other guys to make the league lop-sided, it makes me not disinterested in watching the games. I like the fact that the NBA wants the league to be more balanced, but so far there attempts have been failures (lottery, new CBA, etc.).

          The difference between the Spurs and the Heat: the Spurs took the pay cut to continue playing with their own teammates instead of using it as an avenue to create a new dream team.

          Also, I’m glad you pointed out the HGH thing. I’m okay with players who are paid to entertain me using PEDs, but I just wish that it was more publicly known. If it was allowed, then maybe it’d become safer and then pro sports would be even better.

          • Rich Jensen

            I’m not okay with PEDs for two reasons:

            1) They’re dangerous (cf Serena’s pulmonary embolism, LeBron’s jaw tumor, Jerry Remy,!RfgBx )

            2) Ppl would still cheat. Say X is the legal dose of HGH. Okay, how many players would be taking X+1 to get a competitive advantage?

            Bottom line, IMO: If the medical community says that there is zero justification for a healthy person to take some drug, it should not be allowed in pro sports. OTOH, the leagues can get a bit out of hand with certain things–the deer antler thing (was that Ray—disposed of murder evidence and now I’m a respected pillar of the community–Lewis? I forget).

          • Curt Hays

            There’s a really short book/essay called “The Doping Dilemma” that discusses the issue and why the rules are all but ignored. I think it explains it well. Basically the rules need to be harsh, and they need to be enforced.

      • forever_green

        That part makes me sick Curt…really sick.

  • Rich Jensen

    Also, what is the deal with the Pacers? Do these guys think they’re going to get Vogel fired by complaining about him and not playing for him?

    They should read “When the Game Was Ours” and find out Larry Bird’s thoughts about the way the Celtics quit on Bill Fitch in the ’83 ECF to see what he thought about that then and what he thinks about it now.

  • KGino

    The Celtics basically built Miami. Without the Celtics whooping Lebron’s ass every year in Cleveland, maybe he never ends up going to Miami. Unfortunately once he did, our vets were a little too past ripe to compete (and the refs f&*^Cking us up the ass didn’t help).

    It is just awful timing… Lebron chose the perfect time to coward out and make a super team. The east is SO weak after Pierce & KG left Boston and with D Rose constantly injured… It’s a freakin joke. Can you imagine the 2008 Celtics having to play the bobcats in the first round instead of a Hawks team that took us 7… It would have been utter SLAUGHTER. It’s literally a cake walk for them to the Finals this year with a Pacer’s team that lost its head late in the season.

    Go Spurs… I’m so sick of Lebron getting so much credit after he made his own super team, in a time when he barely has any competition on his side of the league, and when Benadict Allen had to save his ass from being the choke artist / scapegoat again last year.

    Best player in the world? Yes. You can’t blame him for beating up on weak competition, I get that. But to me, his career is a little tainted at this moment for how he got his rings and how weak his competition is.

  • Slap Dog Hoops

    It’s funny how you Celtics fans take credit for every little thing hat has absolutely nothing to do with you. I guess that it helps soothe the fact that you guys will probably not be heading to the playoffs for another ten year or that you will probably never see a championship banner for another 20.

    • KGino

      10 years hahahahahahahahaha ho ho hee hee ha ha ho.

      And it was wade that gave us the credit, moron.

      • Slap Dog Hoops

        First of all, Wade did not give “you” credit. He gave credit to a bygone Celtics team that has now turned into a shell of its former self and will be so for the next decade. Knowing that, I am sure that hysterical laughter is a mask for the anguish and sadness you must feel, because you know what I say is true.

        • Curt Hays

          Also, Wade did give us credit. Fans like @kgino:disqus are a reason the Celtics are great. You don’t play just the Celtics, you play the fans too.

          I guess you have to spend some time cheering for a winning team to understand the pride that comes with the culture of winning.

        • KGino

          Actually that was the Joker’s laugh from The Dark Knight because I find it amusing that an NBA fan actually thinks the most storied franchise in the leagues history with the most assets is going to be irrelevant for the next 10 years.

          Your only hope is if our best player dies from drug overdose somewhere in that time frame. Other than that, I’d bet my life the Celtics make the playoffs within 5 years, never mind 10.

          Wade gave me tons of credit, it just wasn’t mentioned in this article. He said “You know, Boston is an extremely difficult place to play, they got fans like dat KGino fella that take it to a whole ‘nother level. Makes playing in Indy easy.”

    • Mike C


      • Slap Dog Hoops

        Add a few sobs and tears with that yawn and that will describe the Celtics for the next ten years.

        • Mike C

          At least Celtics fans dont jump ship the moment their team has a losing season. Its called LOYALTY bitch! We have more posts on this site even after our losses than whatever team wannabe fans like you follow!

    • Curt Hays

      At least we aren’t the Raptors.

      • Slap Dog Hoops

        That’s a silly thing to say since the Raptors won the Atlantic Division and look to be a team on the rise while the Celts will find themselves bottom feeding in the Eastern Conference for the next decade.

        • Curt Hays

          You’re right, but you came into our territory talking trash. I didn’t want you to feel like it was ignored. That’d just be boring. 🙂

          You see, it isn’t that “we had a bad season, so it sucks to be a Celtics fan”.

          At least we aren’t the Raptors because THEN we’d have low expectations every season. Being Celtics fans means that we have a reason to be upset when we have a bad season.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            Listen, friend.

            You’ve got me all wrong. I’m not trying to trash the Celtics. I am just telling the truth and you guys are still swept up in the Garnett/Pierce/Allen era that you do not see it. The fact is that Danny Ainge wants the Celtics to stink so he can keep his job as long as possible. He know that if fans continue to have high expectations for the future that he may not keep his job very long.

            The whole five year period of luster was meant to give both him and the organization breathing room until the next ten or twenty years when you guys start to get antsy. He knows that you are still basking in the glow of winning your first NBA title in more than two decades erasing all the other crap that came before. The same thing happened when the Bird/McHale/Parish era come a close as well.

            Why do you think Ainge picked some nobody with no NBA experience instead of choosing A REAL NBA COACH? He’s basically setting the expectations of the fan base so low that nobody will question him running the team into the ground. At the same time he glosses over that fact by keeping your minds in the past while not noticing the grim reality that faces you. Celtics fans, you are been hoodwinked, bamboozled, and taken for a ride and you are too blind to see it.

            You say that Raptors fans have low expectations? Celtics fans basically wrote the book on low expectations as they are always so caught up in the past that you can tolerate years even decades of poor performing teams that at best amount to marginal playoffs teams only to crash down once again and start from scratch. Unlike what you claim, it take Celtics fans at least a decade to realize, “hey Bill Russell is not playing anymore? Or “since when did Red Aurbach stop coaching the team?”

            I agree with you. It is not that “(you) had a bad season, so it it sucks to be a Celtics fan.” It is that that bad season will evolve into years of suffering and anguish that make you think that it sucks to be a Celtics fan. At least with the Raptors, they have bounced back every four so years from the bottom to post season. With the Celtics, it is far much longer and there is evidence in the Celtics’ history to prove it.

            Hopefully, you will see this as a call, to arms and not just another troll who spends his time trashing NBA teams, because that is not my intent. I too have a great admiration for the Celtics’ history and I am certain that the Toronto Raptors or any other team for that matter, save for the Lakers, will match what the green machine has accomplish. Unfortunately, unlike Celtics fans. I live in the here and now and you stay stuck in the past while you team crumbles to dust as the years go by.

          • Curt Hays

            Alright, it looks like you might not be just trolling, but all your other comments made it seem that way. I’ll read your full comment later, but your trollish writing content you brought with you isn’t helping anyone listen to you.

          • Curt Hays

            Ok, so first of all, all those years of sucking in the 90s weren’t by CHOICE. Len Bias and Reggie Lewis DIED. They died. No one wanted that. Sure we tanked in 1997…that was a stupid gamble. Rick Pitino was an experiment that went wrong. They tried to emulate Red Auerbach’s control, but Rick failed miserably.

            It is very trollish of you to come on here and try to tell us that Danny is trying to make the team suck. You tell me which REAL NBA COACH Danny could have hired? I personally think that Danny hired the right guy. I think that Brad Stevens will go down in history as a great NBA Coach. I suppose Danny could’ve hired one of the Van Gundy brothers, but neither guy really fits with Boston’s culture. We fans want the hustle culture. Danny is bringing that too us.

            By your same logic, the Raptors being good every few years (which is a product of randomness) is just a way to keep you buying tickets through the crap years. It just makes no sense from a business standpoint.

            If Danny really wanted to tear the team down to nothing, then why was Pierce the only man standing from Danny’s fir st year? You still seem like a troll.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            Choosing Brad Stevens over a Stan Van Gundy, Vinny Del Negro, George Karl, Lionel Hollins or any other much more qualified candidate. As for Pierce, both him and Doc Rivers were about to call it quits until Ainge made a desperate attempt crying to his buddy Kevin Mchale in Minnesota to help him out of the mess he created. That resulted in the arrival of Kevin Garnett and Boston short five year stint in the limelight.

          • KGino

            This guys is delusional. Danny wants the Celtics to stink so he can KEEP HIS JOB! Lol.

            You’re forgetting the Celtics were set up to be dominant in the 90’s, however unfortunate luck cause that to go awry. Other than that, there is no 20 year gap in our history between championships… So lets stop using the words “another 20 year drought” like it happens so frequently/ not from fluke deaths.

            And newsflash, nobody still thinks Bill Russell plays lol. Half the people on this site were probably born after he retired, so what the hell are you talking about?

            Definitely just a troll.

          • Curt Hays

            Besides that, if Bill Russell suited up today, he’d still be better than Roy Hibbert.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            There you Celtic Fans go again: living in the past again thus proving my point.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            Actually there was a 22 year gap, the last time the Celtics won before 2008 was in 1986. They were never set up to be dominant in the nineties. They were hobbling on the aging backs of Bird, McHale and Parish until 1995. Once they left, they were hoping that Reggie Lewis would carry on the torch, but that did not happen. Honestly I think that even Lewis were still alive, he still could not stem the tide. Boston was going downhill.

            As for my accusation about Ainge, I still hold that true. Remember when he came in, Boston had reach the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time since 1988. What did he do? He broke the team apart sending All Star and one of the main reasons of Boston’s success, Antoine Walker, to the Dallas Mavericks for who? A gimpy Raef LaFrentz which led to the coach at the time, Jim O’Brien, to be sickened enough to resign mid season.

            As for my Bill Russell comment, that was just meant to show how Celtics fans are so stuck on their past a guy like Ainge can get away with what he is doing. Celtics fan will forever be in a daze of past glories that they cannnot see the sham of what their team has become. And it will stay that way for another twenty years.

          • KGino

            1.) I’m well aware of the exact time of the gap, you were the one saying 20 you idiot.

            2.) You’re also forgetting Len Bias, the supposed next MJ.

            3.) Yea, I’m not sweating any deal involving ‘Toine at that stage in his career. We were lucky to even make ECF that year, that was not a championship caliber team. Are you forgetting that Ainge purposely won us a Championship in 08? Or was that part of him running the franchise into the ground?

            4.) Yes, Celtics fans are proud of their rich history, and they should be. We are the winningest franchise in the 4 major sports. However, that in no way clouds our judgement of whats going on now… The Celtics have THE MOST ASSETS in the league, again, you moron. We don’t just think we’re gonna be good again because we were in the past… We have an established All Star, a few good young players, a young coach which everyone but you thinks was a good idea (including established NBA personnel), THE MOST ASSETS IN THE LEAGUE draft wise, and the Celtics CULTURE which will never die (see what it meant to KG, Paul Pierce, Doc Rivers, etc. to play here). And you think they’re gonna be irrelevant for 20 years… That’s just plain ignorant.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            Again, proving my point that you live in the past thus allowing GMs like Ainge to coast for five years or so years until he gets tired of it. then he’ll pass it on to his succesor who will probably coast and let the team wallow in obscurity for another five or so years and it will keep going on and on.

          • KGino

            Great rebuttal! Way to counter argue the points I made! Arguing with people like you is re-tard-ed. Its like having a conversation with a brainless fish. Your jaw keeps moving, but nothing important ever gets said. And you’re incapable of listening.

            You brought up Danny purposely running the franchise into the ground, to defend it, I say “he purposely won a championship”… And i’m living in the past! LOL. You’re delusional. You can’t bring up the past and expect someone not to talk about the past. Are you in the special ed class Slap Dog?

            Unfortunately, your only argument is “celtics are going to be obscure for the next 10 years” and you have no facts to back it up. I have pointed out all the evidence to the contrary… The budding coach, the surplus of draft picks/assets, etc. What do you have? Nothin. Just you and your little crystal ball over there.

            Done talking to you… I thought you were capable of holding an argument, but like a true troll you deflect instead of defend. Peace. See you in the playoffs next year, ghay boy

          • Curt Hays

            We have another guy on here, RedsLoveChild, that most people think is a troll. He isn’t. He starts off sounding like one, but he’s a business guy. So far, you have started off sounding like a troll, then you said you aren’t one, then you ended it by sounding like a troll again.

          • KGino

            I mean who’s this guy’s favorite team? The Raptors? My life savings says the Celtics win another championship before raptors lol… No one wants to go play in Toronto.

            Good for them they got bounced in the first round and won the Atlantic! Have fun in NBA purgatory!

          • Curt Hays

            Slow down there, KGino. Steve Nash wants to play for the Raptors!

            And I bet Drake would play for them too. Maybe Master P would lace them up again.

          • Curt Hays

            Something, something…Danny played baseball for the Blue Jays

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            Better in NBA purgatory than lottery hell which the Celtics will be for the next decade or so. Sure the may or may not win a title before the Raptors ever will, but I assure you that Toronto will be in the post season more times that Boston in the next ten or so years.

          • KGino

            Oh boy! Cuz we play to be in the post season! I’d rather suffer for 10 years and win a championship than make the playoffs 10 years in a row. Get your priorities straight. This is BOSTON. We do banners, not playoff appearances.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            You don’t do banners!! You wait for banners to magically appear. Now the Lakers–they do banners!!! Despite having their worst season in team history, they’ll still become playoff contenders and win a title before Boston ever will. The same goes for the Bulls, Spurs, Heat, Mavericks, and all the other that won NBA Titles in the title that Boston won the sole one in 2008. Please!!! And YOU CALL ME DELUSIONAL!!!

          • KGino

            Championship city. We do Banners (most in the NBA), Stanley Cups, Lombardy Trophies, & World Series Trophies. Suck it.

            “and all the other that won NBA titles in the title that Boston won the sole one in 2008.” Yup, you are in the sped class.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            The only one trolling is you trying to shoot down what I have to say which is actually based on facts and historical evidence.

          • Curt Hays

            You’re not even remotely rational. I’m not commenting on your comments anymore. Huge waste of time.

          • Slap Dog Hoops

            You know why? Because you know I am right, and all you have to respond is petty insults

  • Will

    Miami would not make it out of the Western Conference

  • Mike C

    Lance Stephenson is catching all kinds of hell for his comments towards ‘No-Touch’. I like that he has the balls to trash talk! He’s definitely the only player on that team with any FIGHT! The first three games of the series, he was carrying the entire tem on his shoulders. I’d love to get him to come play for the Celtics!

    • Curt Hays

      He’s the reason they have no cohesion. You wouldn’t want him in green. He is a distraction to his opponents AND his teammates.

      • Mike C

        You have to admit, that he doesn’t back down from anyone. A little KG in his will to compete. The rest of that team looks starstruck by Miami. That series is OVER! Spurs are the LAST Hope.

        • Curt Hays

          I admit it, but KG didn’t hurt the team in the locker room. KG hasn’t been to court multiple times for assault (has he?). I like the passion and all that, but Lance is just a punk who is tearing his team apart.

          • Eisenhorn1976

            This is why I thought trading Danny Granger was a bad idea: Granger was a far better teammate than Turner, who is hardly a steadying presence. The Pacers already had one headcase (two if you count Bynum) in Stephenson. Adding someone with no leadership skills like Turner hurt them more than Granger’s lack of productivity.

            Now it looks as though they may need to blow things up anyway.

          • Curt Hays

            But remember, Danny Granger couldn’t stay healthy. They were in win now mode this season, so they needed all hands on deck…Danny couldn’t get on the court at all.

  • Bayern

    Indy are not superstar team. It is formed of role players one barely superstar. Comparing them with Miami is not fair. After how many years is Lebron or Dwade speaking like this ? Give them few years. it takes a few tries to become championship calibre. Indy are knocking but not there yet.

  • chominggirl

    Figuard it out last night but