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Your Morning Dump…Where the sixth pick hasn’t been too bad in the past

Chris Jones May 24, 2014 The Morning Dump 15 Comments

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Every morning we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump

But if you dig a little deeper, it’s pretty clear the talent that teams have been able to acquire at No. 17 has been as good, if not better, than what the No. 6 pick can fetch.

Since the 2004 draft, the No. 17 pick has produced more All-Stars (Jrue Holiday, Roy Hibbert, Danny Granger) than the No. 6 pick, which has produced only a pair of All-Stars in Lillard and Brandon Roy (who is no longer in the NBA after battling multiple knee injuries before eventually retiring).

Of the No. 6-vs.-17 draft picks, arguably the most lopsided victory for the 17th choice came in 2009, when the Minnesota Timberwolves selected Jonny Flynn — right after drafting another point guard, Ricky Rubio, mind you — 11 spots before Philadelphia snatched up Jrue Holiday.

And in an ironic twist, the Sixers used Holiday as part of a draft-day trade with New Orleans last year to acquire Malden, Mass., native Nerlens Noels with — you guessed it — the No. 6 pick.

CSNNE – 17 over 6 may be a winning formula for Celtics

LIttle bit of recent history on the sixth pick. Of course if you were to look back even further, you’d be happy to find that Antoine Walker and Larry Bird were both sixth picks overall. This year is an odd exception: landing a top-three pick would definitely have been the preference, but the guys in our range would typically be top-three picks in any other draft. That said , whoever we end up selecting (if the pick isn’t traded) is going to have superstar potential; it just has to manifest.

Page 2: Bill Simmons’ has it all figured out

The most logical offer: Both 2014 picks, both 2015 picks, Sullinger, Bogans and Bass’s expiring for Love. That’s four first-rounders (including the no. 6 pick). If they pulled it off, they’d have to move quickly on Houston’s Asik, even if it meant taking Jeremy Lin’s contract as the price for Asik — conceivably, they could absorb Asik with the aforementioned trade exception and absorb Lin’s deal with their cap space — which helps Houston because they need to dump the Lin/Asik contracts to pursue Carmelo. You tell me: Could you compete in the East with a starting five of Love, Rajon Rondo, Asik, Jeff Green and Free Agent 2-Guard TBA? And could you make the Finals with a Big Three of James Harden, Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony? YES AND YES! Let’s do this!

ESPN Boston – Simmons on Love, No. 6 pick

I’d be cool with that. It definitely seems like the Celtics can offer the bets package for Kevin Love, and I’m pretty sure Ainge would pull the trigger even if Love didn’t immediately commit to re-signing this summer. The only potential wrench would be if the Cavs got serious about trading the first pick for an established upgrade. Thankfully, I’d assume Cleveland doesn’t want to blow any chance of drafting LeBron 2.0, so it’s likely they keep the pick. Still, after the Anthony Bennett saga, trading an unknown for an immediate talent may be their wisest course.

Would you take Simmons’ trade?

The rest of the links:

ESON Boston - Slow rebuild might trump quick fix | Hot Button: Love affair

Masslive - NBA Draft 2014: Jazz pick may be biggest variable | Sterling allows wife to negotiate sale of Clippers

ESPN - Cuban: Good time to discuss issues | | Riley adds bedding to ’3-peat’ filing

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  • adam

    I wouldn’t want to give up both picks. but hey Danny does what Danny does.

  • Frank Aziza

    The best part of Simmons idea is we get to keep both of the future Nets picks. One of those or maybe both could be lottery picks. If we get Love, next years picks won’t be nothing that good.

  • Herman Bubbert

    I’d offer to move them two or three picks first, offering to take on Kevin Martin with the former.

    • Michael Biscardi

      We could absorb Martin and Brewer/Budinger by using the Pierce exception and sending Bass, Bogans, Anthony, and Sully. At that point, I think sending the #6 and one other pick is more than fair…

      • Michael Biscardi

        One other option if the Love sweepstakes doesn’t work out is drafting Randle and trading apupu platter for Hayward and Lin/Asik

  • RedsLoveChild

    Bird fell to 6th in 1978 only because he had already announced he would return to play his senior year at Indiana St. That scared others away, knowing he would not be in the NBA for another year.

    Simmons` projected lineup looks good…until you see Jeff Green`s name smack in the middle of it.

    • svc359

      With Love and Rondo in the lineup, Green probably wouldn’t be asked to do too much. He’s a great complementary player, just not a good first option.

      That said, I agree with the other poster, where this seems like way too much to give up for Love. Only part of his game that really appeals to me is how he sucks down rebounds. Yes, he can score, but I don’t really like non-defensive bigs

  • Kahnstantine

    That just seems like WAY too much for Love, but that’s just me.

    • LA Flake

      You’re not alone. It is too much. Waaaay too much. And Melo & Harden on the same team? LOL. Simmons has lived in LA for too long. He’s become stupid!

      • Eisenhorn1976

        Simmons was idiotic even before he moved to LA. We just notice it more now because he has a big website.

  • frickenWaaaltah

    The Simmons offer would be a disaster. Kevin Love isn’t even a guy who wins close games; he’s good, competitive volume production. He makes sense for a team who will have the space to completely remake their roster, or a team that already has their go-to guy.

    I’m pretty sure there’s no smart way for the Celtics to get him. To beat the west coast teams, they’ll have to give up so much that the rebuild taps out too early and they end up as a team with a perennially high regular season win total and a weak playoff run and no way to get over the top. Then after a few years, probably without even a conference finals win to show for it, it will be time to rebuild again, and people will start talking about ‘Kevin Love’s expiring contract’ as trade bait.

  • bill_nair

    Only issue with Simmons deal is we can’t offer our 15 first.

  • Rich Jensen

    Four picks for Love? You’ve got to be kidding me. He’s not worth that much. I’m not even sure he’s worth three first round picks.

  • Jake Gruber

    Heres what I don’t get. Yes, that team would be near the top of the east, but they wouldn’t even come close to WINNING the east. And you would have taken such big salary hits that you wouldn’t be able to get better ever. And furthermore you wouldn’t have any picks left to get better through the draft. That is so stupid.

  • Jaedre

    I rather give all that to The Bucks for the 2nd pick… I want jabarion our team that kid is the truth!!! Or work something with philly where we get their pick n get jabari thru them since the bucks will prob take wiggins