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Your Morning Dump… C’s need to see the pick before they decide on deal

John - Red's Army (@RedsArmy_John) May 20, 2014 The Morning Dump 22 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Speculation surrounds the Celtics and what they might do if they land a top-three pick during the NBA Draft lottery Tuesday night.

If the pick falls that high, the Celtics could send it to Minnesota as part of a package for All-Star forward Kevin Love, according to reports.

“Nothing has been discussed until we see the pick,” Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck told the Globe Monday night. “When we see what pick it is, the phones will start ringing and we’ll start answering the phones.”

Globe:  Celtics owner says no deal until lottery, if then

Sounds right.

There’s a lot of speculation and discussion as to whether the Celtics would be willing to move the pick in a potential Love deal if that pick fell in the top 3.  It’s long been simply accepted that Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid, and Jabari Parker are this draft’s three potential franchise players, and there is a bit of a drop-off once you get to the 4th pick.

What we don’t know is whether Danny Ainge and the Celtics value those guys as highly as the general public.  We all know how easily accepted narratives can be, so it’s still a question as to whether this is one of those easily spewed lines that any slob can use to sound smart about the draft, or if it’s truly the case.

We’ll find out after tonight, when the Celtics figure out whether they get one of those top 3 picks.  This whole thing could be like a game of blackjack when the dealer shows an ace and asks if you want insurance.

The insurance in this case is Kevin Love.  The Celtics can try to work out a deal, give up a bunch of their accumulated assets and get back a 25-year-old who’s already a top-tier player but who’ll also demand top-tier money.   Or they can play out the hand, hoping they get a blackjack of their own in one of those three guys who can make an impact of his own on a rookie deal while the Celtics keep a stack of assets in hand.

The Celtics will have some time to figure out how to proceed.  Even if they get a top 3 pick tonight, they can’t actually make a move until draft night, so they’ll have time to do their due diligence with the three guys who skipped the combine.  The Celtics will put them through their paces on the court, and, perhaps more importantly, get inside their heads a little.  From there, the team will have a better idea of how comfortable they feel pushing forward with one of them as a cornerstone player.

We’ll see tonight, and you can watch the draft lottery along with us because Celtics Stuff Live returns tonight live at 8pm.  Yes, we’ll be watching on TV along with all of you, giving you our reactions to what’s happening as we feel them.  You can call in too and help us figure out what to do next.  We’ll post a link to the show later tonight, so be sure to come back and watch with us.

Related links:  Globe:  Is Kevin love in Celtics’ plans  |  Herald:  Report: Celtics in Love mix  |  CSNNE:  Blakely: Do C’s have a shot at Love?  |  Ryan:  Why love probably won’t come to Boston

Page 2:  Steve Pagliuca is whipping out his lucky cock for the lottery

pags rooster

Oh come on, did you think I’d be mature about this?  $5 says Pags made this joke to someone too.

Read all about Pags’ lucky 8 inch… rooster… on ESPN Boston

To clear up something some fans might not know:  The Celtics can’t get the 4th pick in the draft.  The lottery is for the top 3 spots, and then the rest are determined by last year’s record.  So if you don’t see Phoenix at the bottom of the draft board, that means they got lucky and got into the top 3.

Anyway, since the C’s can either win one of the top 3 spots or then be slotted by record, there will always be at least one team with a worse record than the 5th-worst Celtics.  If 3 teams with better records somehow get the top 3 spots, then four other teams would be slotted 4-7 and the Celtics would slide down to the worst-case scenario: the 8th pick.

So to recap, the Celtics can pick anywhere 1-through-8 except the 4th pick.  And if you don’t see a team with a better record than Boston in the slot it was supposed to occupy by record later in the draft, the odds of that top 3 pick dropped significantly.

Related links:  ESPN Boston: W2W4 at draft lottery  |  Celtics hoping to bounce back  |  Boston.com:  The Celtics long, tortured lottery history  |  CSNNE:  Stevens and Ainge:  Mindset heading into lottery  |  Looking back on C’s lottery history  |  WEEI:  Valuing Celtics lottery trade potential

The rest of the links:  

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  • I AM A CELTIC

    If the C’s get a Top 3 pick tonight I Pray & Hope that they keep it ! Wiggins, Parker & Embid could be Franchise Talents & Great compliments to Rondo. Then I suggest they go After K.Love with Our 17th pick & whatever else it takes to get Him with out losing Rondo or the Top 3 pick. Then go after Carmelo Anthony !!! Wyc would pay the Luxury Tax for A Monster Squad like that !!!!

    • Jester00

      You are making people happy! you are the Magical Man from Happy-Land, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane!

      do you really think that could happen???

      truly you have a dizzying intellect

      • tvor03

        nice Simpsons reference.

    • pierce Hart

      I agree there, we can offer better than most teams for K love without including our lottery pick so why add it in!!

      • Jester00

        Life is hard; it’s harder if you’re stupid.

      • I AM A CELTIC

        We have 17 picks over the next 5 years, 10 in the First round … We give up two of them & keep this Years Lottery pick !

    • RedsLoveChild

      While you`re at it…see if you can get us LaMarcus Aldridge for Phil Pressey

  • bill_nair

    If Danny trades a top 3 pick for Love he needs to be fired. It’s almost like we turn a blind eye to the Knicks giving up the farm on Melo who couldve came in free agency. Hold put until Love enters free agency then try and get him. At least we’ll have some more developed young players to entice him and Rondo.

    • RedsLoveChild

      Try getting Love to come here as a free agent…as opposed to him signing with LA or GS??

      You`d have a better chance of convincing Justin Verlander to dump Kate Upton, because Kathy Bates is might be available.

      • bill_nair

        If that’s the train of thought why bring him in at all. I’m in the group that thinks he heads back home. I’m not excited about a one year rental with a second round exit.

        • RedsLoveChild

          Agree totally…1 year rental is out of the question.

          Trading for him is the only way we could ever get him…but, he must sign an extension before the Celts agree to a trade. That`s non-negotiable.

  • pierce Hart

    They’ll block the Knicks number.

  • Jester00

    saving a top 3 pick and getting Klove cannot happen sorry he is a top ten Player right now!!!!! hey I hope I am wrong, but tell me How??????

  • RedsLoveChild

    Tonight will end like every “Celtic Lottery Night” ends :
    Some well dressed dude will walk on stage…open an oversized envelop…pull out a Celtic logo placard…then every Celtic fan will curse obscenities at the television!!

    By all means, try trading the 5th pick {and more} for Love.

    Wiggins & Parker will not become NBA superstars. Instead, they`ll fall somewhere in the spectrum between Jeff Green to Tracy McGrady. Centers with health issues in college {Embiid} are destined to disappoint.

    • KGino

      Parker will be a top 10 player in 5-6 years. Not sold on Wiggins/Embiid yet.

      • bill_nair

        I think Wiggins will be an all-star. Definitely worried about Embiid. I wonder who the “surprise” star of this draft will be. Still hoping Danny can get another first this year.

    • bill_nair

      Just a lil more faith.

      • RedsLoveChild

        I had “faith” in 1997 & 2007.

        Time to try a “new approach”…nothing to lose, see what happens

  • swissflix

    I am getting so excited right now. A top 3 pick would be epic but just having Randle or Exum or Smart on our team would be definitely a step in the right direction.

  • dk

    is Woj going to live tweet the picks in advance like he does with the draft too?

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  • ThatGuyOverTheOcean

    I feel the league is gonna screw us again like in ’97 and ’07… first pick to the Fakers and the worst possible (8th) to us.