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Rumor: Celtics and Rockets have talked Rondo/Parsons trade

Chuck - Red's Army February 19, 2014 Celtics News, Rajon Rondo, Rumors 136 Comments

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Celtics Blog’s Kevin O’Connor wraps up some potentially credible and potentially suspect trade rumors involving Rondo and the Rockets:

This afternoon, FoxSports.com’s Sam Amico said sources have told him the Rockets think they can acquire Rondo. No further details were illustrated, but the two sides have talked trade.

The first person to report on the rumblings is a reliable source from the Houston area, who has connections with various NBA agents. (Though anonymous, this person has been the first to report on Houston-area stories such as the signings of Dwight Howard and Omer Asik, the trade for Kevin Martin, and the passing of football legend Bum Phillips.)

This source says that Houston’s general manager Daryl Morey is willing to offer two first round draft picks and other players to make the deal work. However, Danny Ainge has remained steadfast and insisted that 25-year-old forward Chandler Parsons is included into the deal.

Understandably, Morey has decided to bide his time and wait to see what other types of offers Boston received before giving in and offering Parsons. Other young players Houston can offer include point guard, Patrick Beverley, power forward Donatas Motiejunas, and combo-forward Terrence Jones.

Call me crazy but I’m wary of a “reliable source” who posts his information on message boards.

But if you want to play along, there have to be multiple players included in this deal because Chandler Parsons makes less than $1 million.

Jeff Green? Jeremy Lin? Omer Asik?

File under: Holy sh@t this might happen

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  • Curt Hays

    I would take Chandler Parsons for Jeff Green all day long, but not Rondo. It wouldn’t make sense.

    Edit: Include Beverly and it looks interesting, but you still don’t have Rondo…and that’s a bad thing.

    • Herman Bubbert

      Parsons, Beverely, Asik and a first?

      Bye, Rajon. Enjoy the warmer weather.

      • Curt Hays

        I like it, and it works. But I’d be skeptical of Beverly holding down the PG. If you do that, then you might as well let Avery Bradley go too for another PG.

        • Herman Bubbert

          I like Beverley at the PG. Might want to bring in a veteran to back him up as he grows into the position, and I’m certainly no fan of paying the vastly overrated Bradley $9 or $10 million.

        • LA Flake

          the remaining years on lin’s contract is just awful. if they want to give us lin, they’d better take gerald wallace off our hands.

          • Curt Hays

            Valid point. I’m good with that.

      • Curt Hays

        Warmer weather? You mean the humid, debilitating, terrible heat “weather”.

    • DJ Woods

      Lin is awful. Id rather keep rondo and add parsons r parson and Beverly for green and bass. You don’t trade a player as good as rondo unless your getting at least an equal level talent back at some position.

      • Curt Hays

        You do if you’re tanking and rebuilding. But you also wouldn’t go for Lin’s contract if you were tanking.

        • DJ Woods

          Lins contract is the reason im opposed. im all for getting rid of any combination of green, wallace, bradley, bass in order to get parsons. Im not giving up rondo. im not taking 2 LATE firsts which will be essentially seconds.

          • LA Flake

            Does Houston own picks from other teams by any chance?

          • DJ Woods

            not that im seeing but a few 2nd rounders in 2015.

          • LA Flake

            Oh, f&%k that. I want 1st rounders. I WANT THE TOP PICK!

  • NE_Celt

    Keep Rondo!! But if we could score Parsons and Asik somehow…I could deal with that. Parsons seems more consistent than uncle Jeff.

    PS…I hate trade deadlines and the rumor mill…such a pain.

  • Red’s Cigar

    Lin, Asik Parsons and two firsts for Green and Rondo?

    Bingo! We’ve got bingo!

    • Herman Bubbert

      Where do I sign?

      • DJ Woods

        so you want an overpaid bench player in lin, an overpaid under producing malcontent in Asik and 2 picks that will be around 28-30 in the drafts for a perennial all star and top 5PG that continually leads the NBA in APG, SPG and RPG for guards?

        • Red’s Cigar

          Soo you want to build the next celtics around your “perennial” all star PG that has never averaged more than 13.7ppg, whos career averages are 11.7ppg and 8.3 assists to go along with 62% from the free throw line. Oh right, since he leads the league in steals and rebounds for guards clearly he should be the centerpiece to a franchise. Asik and Parsons are under produciing….what is rondo doing? if those numbers are him excelling…..yikes. Draft picks are nice because when you stockpile them, like ainge is doing, they become great trade pieces. So just stop with your big words and just look at the facts. Rondo is overrated. Time to move him.

          • LA Flake

            Move him for the right pieces, yes. For Asik and Parsons, I don’t know. First, I don’t like the idea of paring Asik with Sully. That is just a no-no. Based on what others are saying about Parsons I am intrigued but what if we land Jabari in the draft? Don’t they play the same position? How will that work?

          • Curt Hays

            However, if we land Jabrari, we’d be paying him $4M. Might be worth it, but Jabrari is still a maybe.

          • LA Flake

            STOP talking nonsense! We’re getting Jabari!!!

  • Gregory Flower

    Something that I haven’t heard enough about is the prevalence of GREAT point guards in this league in Rondo trade discussion. I’m a HUGE Rondo fan and in a potential trade, say JG and RR for Parsons and Asik + picks, Rondo is definitely the best player being moved. BUT it also seems like mnay teams in this league have elite point guards right now, which in my opinion diminishes Rondo’s value because he is potentially more easily replaceable than a top 10 center or small forward. I might also add that the great point guard trend hasn’t meant that the great PGs are winning championships- just look at the last 20 years… Tony Parker is arguably the best pg to win a title in that span and he wasn’t even the best player on his team.

  • reggie lewis

    im all for this! but i would prefer T Jones over Chandler. and beverly would fill in for rondo quite nicely.

    • Curt Hays

      That’s all fine, but this only means that you don’t know nearly enough about Parsons.

      • LA Flake

        Then tell us about Parsons. I’m all ears.

        • RedsLoveChild

          For starters…he moonlights as a male model when not playing basketball, which should please the ladies out there.

          He`s a pretty good shooter, but a crappy rebounder.

          I prefer 6`10″ forwards who grab boards more often than once every 7 minutes. He`s “soft”.

          • LA Flake

            Male model? Oh, Gawd…

          • Curt Hays

            So is Kris Humphries: http://huff.to/HVNZVd

            @RedsLoveChild:disqus @laflake:disqus

          • RedsLoveChild

            I`m not surprised to learn that about Mr. Kardashian!

            To some, he`s looked upon as a “pleasant surprise”…but, I really want Humphries to be an ex-Celtic.

          • Curt Hays

            I’d like to lose his contract, but who would you replace him with? I think he adds a lot of value as a hustler.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Humphries?

            I just see him as a journeyman {6 teams in 10 years} with modest skills {5 pts., 5 boards}…..should NOT be a problem finding a younger, more athletic forward to replace him on the bench.

            Parsons looks like he might become another AK-47 {Kirilenko}, or a bit better…but, that`s not really my ideal for a forward. I`m not into perimeter wings. I love having big, blue-collar, glass-eating beasts in the paint.

            Pierce–great as he was—didn`t make his millions as a rebounder.

          • Curt Hays

            I’m just saying that Parsons isn’t that far off from being Pierce, statistically (it is unlikely that he’d ever be as good). I’m not saying he’s the first option, just a similar contributor.

            You’re describing Larry Bird, I support that. I see Humphries as that guy on second string, and he is too strong to get injured. He already loves Boston. He is a big that runs the floor. Exactly what Tommy Heinsohn cheers for.

          • reggie lewis

            parsons to pierce is a decent comparison. but where pierce made his $$$ is as a closer. when the game is on the line and you need a basket, he would make that basket. parsons isnt that guy. he will only score within an offense and thats a big deal imo. PP+CP play the same positon and have similar numbers (sort of), but peirce was feared for his ability to take a game over and finish it. CP will never be that guy. Im scared that Parsons, outside of the Houston offense might be exposed a little. I think T Jones could develop into a Durant/Anthony Davis type of player. A Davis is probably a better example. Conversely, I think rondos numbers in boston are inflated, but in houston he could really put up legit #’s and be on a potential championship team.

          • RedsLoveChild

            I`ll certainly admit Humphries is better than, say, Brian Scalabrine…but, it`s tough for me to give him props much beyond that. He`s already 29.

            Maybe Parsons is a sleeper, but 37 players were drafted ahead of him a few years back. That concerns me a little.

            What about Kelly O? KO was drafted, what, 13th or16th? He`s a couple of inches taller, and could very soon exceed a guy like Parsons.

          • Curt Hays

            I think it’s worth it if we can resign Humphries for $5-$6M.

            I bought a Kelly Olynyk jersey on day one of the season. I have faith in the guy. But he’s 7 foot tall and plays a different position than Parsons. I can see Parsons on the floor with KO and it turning into a ton of assists. I think Parsons is a better decision maker than Jeff Green too.

            If nothing else, I figured you’d support replacing Jeff Green $9M with Parsons <$1M.

            I understand your point about when guys were drafted, but the best player on our team was drafted 21st I believe. And Kwame Brown was…well I don't have to explain it to you.

          • RedsLoveChild

            I would take Parsons over Green even if they`re salaries were identical! I`m semi-amazed Ainge still had a job after the Green-Perkins trade.

            In piecing together the next Celtic championship team, I just don`t see Humphries being a part of it, regardless of salary.

            I`ll take the young legs of a big, strong, healthy, hungry PF, fighting for an NBA salary over Humphries any day.

          • Curt Hays

            That presumes that there is a hungry PF available!

          • eddysamson

            Even with a better contract?

          • Curt Hays

            I do disagree with you here regarding Parsons. I haven’t seen anything to compel me to think he’s soft. And he rebounds about as often as Paul Pierce and with less playing time.

      • reggie lewis

        not at all. Parson is a great player. but IMO, you have seen his ceiling. and his success is largely a result of the pace that houston has been playing at. T Jones is physically 1000x more gifted than parsons. his athletic ability and length is unteachable. TJ is still developing his NBA game. As good as Parson is, and hes very good, TJ type of player is harder to find.
        maybe try and be less condescending in your future posts.

        • Guest

          Not condescending at all. You have 2 comments. Get familiar with people before getting butt hurt.

        • eddysamson

          I agree. I have TJ on my fantasy team he was a SICK waiver pick up at the start of the season. He looks to have some serious potential. But can he play at the 3? We’ve got Sully…

    • KGino

      T Jones is Legit. If we could get him Parsons and Asik, that would be a haul. For those who don’t know Parsons averages 17 ppg, 5 1/2 rebounds, and shoots OVER 50%!! Definitely an upgrade over Uncle Jeff (he primarily plays SF).

      • Curt Hays

        Amen.

  • LA Flake

    What the hell? Is it Danny’s turn to help McHale win a championship?
    (I don’t know too much about Parsons game)

    • Curt Hays

      Go check out the scoop on Parsons. He’s one of the best options, if not far and away the most valuable (based on a talent to salary ratio) SF in the NBA.

      He’s a triple double threat every night.

      • LA Flake

        Then why is he being shopped?

        • Curt Hays

          If he’s being shopped, it’s because they want to use his value to make a run at a great PG. Think about Rondo playing with Dwight Howard and James Harden. It probably gives McHale a harden just thinking about it.

          • KGino

            hahahaha good one Curt

          • Curt Hays

            Thanks, I’m proud of that one.

        • tvor03

          He’s not. Morey asked what it would take to get Rondo. Ainge said any deal would need to include Parsons. That’s not being shopped.

  • Lee in Oregon

    Not crazy about this one. Rondo is by FAR the best player in the deal, and if you add him to the Rockets mix, those 1st round picks are gonna be right around #30.

    • Curt Hays

      Rondo is not half as valuable as Asik and Parsons combined.

      • swissflix

        you gotta be kidding. regardless of which Rondo we are talking – pre or post injury. Basically this is a player who can carry his team versus two solid players who can not do that.

        • Curt Hays

          Two people carrying the load at different positions versus one who has already missed an entire season due to injury…be realistic. Rondo is my favorite player in the league, and I still know better.

        • DJ Woods

          not to mention the money required to keep them around an the fact no top evel free agen will want to come here to play with them. you keep rondo and free agents will come. you get rid of rondo and add these guys to trash and the Celtics revert back to the Celtics of the 90’s.

          • Curt Hays

            @swissflix:disqus @dj_woods:disqus Understand…I want Rondo to stay because I fully agree with your assessments of Rondo. It’s just hard to ignore the value Boston could get for him.

          • bill_nair

            Honestly, is Parsons and Asik “fair value” in your opinion? I just feel its a move that makes us worse for no reason. I dont believe Rondos the franchise guy but neither are the 2 coming in. If we move the Captain id hope were a little closer to getting the franchise guy this team desperately needs.

          • LA Flake

            At the same time, who’s going to give us that franchise guy we so desperately need? The only way we can get a franchise guy is to draft one.

          • bill_nair

            Agreed, I just dont get why we give Rondo away for 55 cents when we have much bigger needs. Moving Rondo right now for spare parts should be our last priority. If a right deal comes ya ya i get it. A back up Center who wont resign here cuase we suck and a SF who is similar to the one we have just willing to get his is not what we need right now.

            Wait for the draft than see what to do. Rondos value is easier to determine when the picks are set. Say The kings really want him, that reported deal they offered is worthless now cause their picks is protected. In a 4 months when its not and we know what spot it is maybe they still want Rondo. Maybe not.

          • Curt Hays

            You can’t expect to get a franchise player in a trade right before the playoffs. Well, @laflake:disqus made my point already.

            I don’t think Parsons and Asik are enough, but I would thrilled to have them both. If it happens, then I’d like to move Jeff Green at the same time.

          • bill_nair

            Im not expecting Danny to go and get that guy now, but with Rondo you have an asset that gets you much closer. Asik and Parsons dont. So moving Rondo for those 2 is pointless at this time. Id like to add those 2 with Rondo but we’d still have so many holes we’d still be looking to “tank”.

            Plus think long term, why would Asik resign for anything less than the max if we suck? Why would Parsons wanna stay if we suck? Danny would have to over pay for both just to keep them. Those 2 are used to winning I cant see them going somewhere, losing, and staying.

      • DJ Woods

        You obviously don’t know basketball. Get back in to your hole, troll.

      • Lee in Oregon

        They’re both decent NBA players but neither will ever be a star like Rondo. Parson’s has yet to see a double-team and wouldn’t even start on a lot of teams. Asik is a great back-up center and an ok starter. The only reason to do this deal is to pay McHale back for giving us KG……

        • Curt Hays

          Not disagreeing with you, but the two combined are still more valuable. Which is better if you have once player with a torn ACL: having only Rondo or having Parsons and Asik. In one scenario you lose 100% of your players, in the other you have 50%.

          • Lee in Oregon

            The reason I like keeping Rondo is he’s a star, one of the very best at his position and a guy who actually plays better in big games. If DA can draft or add a couple more guys like him, the C’s are back in contention. Rondo is only 28, he’s in his prime…it’s not unreasonable to assume he’s gonna play at a high level for another 5 years. Why trade the one legitimate star we have that you could build a team around? I just don’t like trading all-stars in their prime.

        • LA Flake

          lol
          I was thinking the same thing when I first read about this.

        • bmd

          I would strongly disagree. Parsons is an NBA starter. It’s not even close. You obviously have not seen him play. Some people think he’s a borderline all-star player. Not there yet, but could be there in the future if he continues to improve. He’s only 25.

          Asik is a solid starter. His numbers won’t wow you, but he helps teams immensely when he’s on the floor.

          • Lee in Oregon

            I watch games every night and have seen him a LOT. He’s a nice player. I just think he’s somewhere in the middle as far as other NBA forwards go.

          • bmd

            From an article:

            “He now sits easily among the top ten small forwards in the league in a wide array of categories, ranging from points per game (7th), assists per game (5th) and field goal percentage (2nd!). When looking at advanced stats, Parsons impresses even more.

            Chandler Parsons is scoring 1.35 points per shot, tied with Paul George for third among small forwards.”

            He’s not an average SF. He’s much better than that. You said he “wouldn’t even start on a lot of teams”. < And that's a joke.

          • Lee in Oregon

            are you his brother or his agent?

            Look, I’m not kicking the guy, I’ve said he’s a nice player. He doesn’t start on every team though. He’s off to a good start in his career and I wouldn’t mind having him…..just not for Rondo.

          • WardenOfTheNorth

            To be fair, based on your logic, Rondo doesn’t start on every team either.

          • bmd

            There are only 5 players in the league that start on every team at their position. That would be the best players at each position.

            Chandler Parsons is one of the best SF’s in the league. Top 10 for sure.

          • Lee in Oregon

            Top 10 is debatable……maybe at the bottom of that. He’s a younger Jeff Green. just my opinion. I’ve seen him have big games and I’ve seen him be pretty quiet. You mention him in the same sentence as George….again this is just my opinion but he’s a long way from that.

    • Raoul

      Jeez Lee, I was reading the article thinking about how I can’t wait to write about how Rondo craps on every single person mentioned. What Rondo brings to every single aspect of his surroundings come in measured as well as intangible forms. He’s a remarkable asset, and only gets better every season.

      Our current roster… we are 1 person short of being an effectively stoppable team. If this deal goes through in any capacity that does not include Harden, you can rest assured we will end the season with the 19 wins we have.

  • Brad P

    Ugh, I’d really want to get rid of Green/Bradley/Bass/Anthony/Wallace before Rondo. So in other words, I don’t want this to happen

  • KGino

    Is it 3PM on Thursday yet?!?!

  • bill_nair

    In my opinion this trade sucks, but I guess were not going to get much in return for Rondo it seems.

  • DJ Woods

    ill kill ainge and disown the Celtics if they trade a top 5 PG for 2 late round picks and kids that will never make it here. those mentioned are not all stars. those mentioned are not players that will get fans back. go ahead ainge, show your further hate of the celtic fans by keeping trash like Green and Wallace while getting rid of your best player for garbage.

    • LA Flake

      Not sure about Rondo being a top 5 PG. A lot of great PGs in the league right now. But I get your point.

      • eddysamson

        There’s a lot of great GUARDS in the league that can score…Rondo is the best pure PG or at least top 3

    • reggie lewis

      top 5 PG? imo, waaay off. and more than that, you cant pay rondo a max contract with so much talent at PG elsewhere for a cheaper price. and while the celts look better on paper with rondo, his skills dont translate to more wins. basically, celtics were just below .500 with him last year and just above .500 without him last year. we can debate the validity of those #’s all day, but beyond the #’s…when rondo left with his injury they also looked better on the court as a team. Is rondo a good player? of course. is he detrimental to our chances of winning games. absolutely not.

      • DJ Woods

        The thought that an entire team actually had to pass to each other because rondo wasn’t there is an awkward notion. An even more awkward notion would be that when ever rondo passed someone the ball, they shot. Strange how having a pass first, defensive PG is a bad thing pared to the new wave of PGs your talking out where they re shoot first ask questions later. Rondo is a top 5PG for all he does. stop thinking about the fact he missed a year due to injury and holding that against him as a reason he is not a top 5.

        • LA Flake

          Come on, now. I’m not the world’s greatest Rondo fan or anything so you might think I’m bias here but COME ON. Rondo was a great defender once when he full-court-pressed anyone and everyone. But he stopped defending THREE SEASONS AGO. I mean, that was kinda okay because we had KG to erase his mistakes. But now? He’s still not defending!

          • Curt Hays

            Maybe I am biased, but I tend to agree with @dj_woods:disqus that Rondo is top 5. Sorry man.

          • LA Flake

            No one’s gonna argue that Rondo’s a good/(sometimes)great PG. Top 5? I don’t know. I used to think Rondo could be the next Jason Kidd but not anymore. Rondo had the luxury of playing with HoFers. He now has to prove that he can make his Not-HOF-Bound teammates better. I’m not sure he can.

          • Curt Hays

            You don’t remember how good he made Stiemsma and Wilcox (just 2 examples)? I know you’re a fan, but you’re just trying to be objective. Go watch some RR highlights and you’ll get the faith back. C’mon, be a little irrational.

          • LA Flake

            Yes he did make them better. I’m not ashamed to admit that my judgment about Rondo’s game is a bit clouded by my intense dislike for his stat-padding tendencies and How the Hell Did He Get So Bad on Defense?

          • Curt Hays

            Wait a minute…did Kidd not play with HOFers most of the time too?

  • tvor03

    This ain’t happening. Houston would have to dismantle a playoff contender to acquire Rondo. Parsons is a great player on a great deal, so is Jones. The Rockets want to compete for a title, and they would ruin their chances by completely restructuring their team with less than 30 games left. If Houston makes a trade, it’ll be a small one. Contenders don’t make blockbuster trades.

    • Curt Hays

      You don’t think Rondo along side Harden and Howard keeps them in it?

      • tvor03

        Not if it takes losing 1-2 starters and half the bench players.

        • Curt Hays

          Well they aren’t going to win this year. Rondo is still recovering. But give them a season, and they’ll be right there.

      • LA Flake

        I haven’t followed the Rockets at all, so I don’t know what these guys are like but that’s the thing. Adding Rondo to their core of DH & Harden gives them a legit chance to contend for years to come. They’ll be a powerhouse for a decade. And if they don’t win it all this year, it won’t be difficult AT ALL to add the pieces to their core of Rondo, Harden and DH.

      • bill_nair

        I dont think Rondo and Harden would work well together. Both need the ball to be effective. Id make the trade from HOU end, but id bet it doesnt work out how they envision.

        • LA Flake

          Hmm…That’s true. Maybe Harden needs a PG who can play off the ball. Haven’t thought about that angle. Good point!

          • bill_nair

            Im honestly surprised him and Lin havent been as great as I expected. Lin can shoot and create for him and others off the ball. If you drew up a PG who would fit perfect in that system Lin is one of the few names id think.

          • LA Flake

            Well, that goes back to your original point. Lin, too, needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Guys who can play the 1 without needing to dominate the ball are dudes like Mario Chalmers and those point guards in Indiana.

          • Curt Hays

            Having the ball in their hands…you mean for scoring, or what? I consider Rondo as one who doesn’t need it in his hands because he passes so much.

          • LA Flake

            Rondo can pass like no one else. I’ll give you that. But he also pounds and holds on to the ball trying to create something out of nothing for too long which keeps everyone standing around. And I’m not sure if Rondo can be trusted to catch and shoot consistently when DH or Harden kicks it back out. But great players usually find ways to work those things out. A lot of people had doubts about LBJ and DWade meshing. They obviously found a way.

          • Curt Hays

            Consider that he gets triple doubles when he needs to. When he wants to. No one else does that.

          • eddysamson

            Rondo was even quoted as saying he had just figured out how to get triple doubles consistently before his injury. His numbers coming back have included 4 near-triple doubles and thats when he’s rusty!

          • LA Flake

            Yeah, I read that, too. And it bothered the hell out of me to be honest. I’d rather Rondo figure out how to win games as opposed to padding his stats. Definitely wasn’t a Rondo fan when I read that.

          • Curt Hays

            His point was that he’d figured out how to do whatever he needed to do on the court to succeed. I took it as a knock against all of his opponents. When I used to check his facebook page, almost every post was some humble response to a compliment similar to “Yes, I had a good game, but it is all about the W for the team.” or “got the W, that’s all that mattered”.

  • Brad P

    Homerism aside, this is a bad trade for the NBA. Pretty much every good Point guard is in the West already.

  • LA Flake

    John Wall, Deron Williams, Carter-Williams, Kyle Lowry, Raymond Felton…Just kidding! Ha ha!

    Still, the East ain’t bad.

    • Curt Hays

      @disqus_olmO8I5Mxr:disqus I think @laflake:disqus posted this for you.

      • LA Flake

        I did indeed.

    • tvor03

      Don’t forget Kyrie Irving, possibly Derrick Rose again, and both Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker ain’t nothing to sneeze at.

      • LA Flake

        Oh, man…If we could get Kyrie Irving somehow…I’m getting a harden just thinking about it. Ha ha. (h/t to Curt Hays)

  • Brad P

    I guess just saying good puts things up for debate. Scratch that, pretty much every elite point guard is already in the West.

    • LA Flake

      Who’s elite? When healthy, DRose is probably the best two-way PG in the league. And Kyrie Irving is the second coming of Isiah Thomas. I’ll take his young talent over Chris Paul who can’t defend a chair or stay healthy.

      • bill_nair

        Just curious, who do you thinks the best PG in the game? I cant deny Chris Paul’s regular season greatness but……well it stops there.

        • LA Flake

          When healthy I think DRose is head and shoulders above the rest. A mini LeBron with a killer instinct that LBJ lacks. But right now, among those playing…I love Goran Dragic. I think Ty Lawson is a championship calibre PG in that he’s not going to be the go-to guy but he will lead you and give you a chance to win the game every time. If I were building a team, I wouldn’t hesitate to take him as long as I have a go-to scorer on the team. I’m a huge fan and believe he should’ve been a Celtic.

          Kyrie Irving, IMO, will be better than Chris Paul. John Wall is pretty good and Steph Curry shoots as well as Ray Allen but plays the PG position. Then there are guys like Kyle Lowry and Drew Bledsoe who are as tough as Rondo.

          No disrespect to Rondo. I think if Rondo played with a dominant big like Howard, Cousins and so on, he’d THRIVE. And Rondo is a terrific player, no doubt. But I just don’t believe that Rondo is a guy who can excel in any situation. A team has to be tailor-made for him to thrive, IMO. And he stopped playing defense 3 years ago. Now, I realize many of those PGs I mentioned don’t play D either. But they bring other things to the table, like being able to take over a game or leading their team. Some may say that Rondo, too, leads but I haven’t seen it.

          • bill_nair

            Interesting points. Thanks for replying. Never been a huge Drose fan but cant deny the talent. I wasn’t one of those who said he wouldn’t come back the same after the first injury, but now im not so sure. And I don’t trust his shot enough to offset his lack of attacking.

            Im a huge UNC fan so Ive always liked Lawson. Very underrated PG who if he was 2 inches taller would be looked at much differently.

            I had a lot of faith coming into this season with Irving. I think hes really regressed and im not sure if he is what i thought he’d be. I still think if any player is set to be the next best pg in the league (after Westbrook, Rose and CP3) its him. Also a John Wall fan but he is what he is and hes not someone who makes much of a difference other than scoring. I had an argument the other day with someone telling me Curry is better than Ray ever was so I refuse to speak on Curry for the rest of the season.

            I have Westbrook right now at the top. Fearless competitor who if he was on his own team would probably be labeled a top 5 player. The Thunder would be nothing without Durant but no matter what anyone says, Russ is the motor for that team.

            I think we have different views on Rondo, but I do agree that you need a tailor-made roster for him. Part of the reason im so afraid if we dont land Wiggins/Parker is because were gonna be stuck in the mud. You add a go-to-guy and Rondo is probably twice as effective. I completely disagree that Rondo doesn’t lead though. 2011 and 2012 playoffs I became a believer. To each his own though I respect the view and appreciate taking the time to discuss basketball. You wouldn’t understand how much more refreshing it is to come here and discuss basketball rather than with the idiots on twitter.

          • LA Flake

            Yeah, Rondo was phenomenal in 2011 and 2012. But we also failed to advance when he was our best player. And, you know, he really did benefit by playing with 3 HOFers. I’ll just leave it at that.

            I agree w/ you on Irving. I think he’s regressed because his team culture sucks at the moment. He’s an undeniable talent. And what is he, 21? 22? So young.

            I can’t say enough about Ty Lawson. He is my ideal PG. He’ll never be the best player on the court but he’ll always find ways to keep his team in the game. And that’s what I want from my PG. Keep everyone involved, push, push, push, score when necessary but understand your limitation as a player and defer to your better teammates when the game’s on the line. And fight like hell for 48 minutes which is what he does. He is such a perfect PG to me in that regard. I just love him and wish he was a Celtic.

          • Curt Hays

            Drew Bledsoe, hahaha…you ARE a Boston fan.

      • RedsLoveChild

        When will people stop with the myth that the PG position so damn important? Championships are won in the paint.

        KWAPT, John, and Chuck have won just as many rings as the COMBINED totals of….

        D-Will, CP3, Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Nash, Curry, Conley. and Rubio!!!

        • LA Flake

          It’s an important position for sure. But I don’t want my best player to play the 1 unless his name is Magic Johnson. I want my stud to be a big dude or a dominant wing.

  • LA Flake

    I’d rather go for Gordon Hayward without giving up Rondo. But Gordon may help us win games this year and hurt our chances at Jabari.

    • bill_nair

      Asik is due for a contract at the end of next season and Parsons I believe this year (maybe next). Like you said why would they be happy in a cold town when they’re losing? Danny would HAVE to overpay to keep them. You trade Rondo for 2 picks in the 20s. Great trade.

      • bmd

        Parsons is a RFA in 2015-2016.

  • bmd

    If anybody is curious about Parsons’ game… he does it all. He’s a great locker room guy, he is a smart player and keeps the team running smooth because he plays smart. He’s a 6’9″ SF and he can drive and score at the rim. He can shoot the 3 at about 40%. He can play defense. He has a TS% of .598 and averages 17.0 ppg.

    On offense, he will not create off the dribble 1 on 1… but he’s great at getting the kick-out pass and will either hit the 3, or will pump fake and take it to the rim. He has an incredible pump fake which allows him to get to the rim almost at will on a close-out. He’ll also score on fast breaks. Basically, the only thing he doesn’t do is play 1 on 1 like Carmelo Anthony or somebody like that.

    He’s solid every area, and he’s on a contract of less than $1 million per year. He’s probably the best value in the NBA (by far).

    If you watch him play, you would love having him on your team.

    • Curt Hays

      THANK YOU! Feel free to upvote all my comments, lol. Finally someone who agrees with me.

      • LA Flake

        Is he on a rookie contract? He must be. And if so, and if he’s as good as y’all are saying he is, then he’s surely not going to be making $1 million much longer.

        • bmd

          He is on a rookie contract, and that is a decision Houston has to make. Either they pay him in the near future, or they trade him before that time.

        • Curt Hays

          That’s correct, but consider that Jeff Green is making $9M…

    • bill_nair

      His style of play sounds eerily similar to that of someone who wears #8 and is constantly called garbage around here. I forgot his name….

      • Curt Hays

        Except that he makes less than $1M a year…

        • bill_nair

          He’s due a contract I believe at the end of the season. If he’s as good as you all have made him seem he will be right around Jeff Greens contract. $1mill this year means nothing long term.

          • Curt Hays

            Nah, he won’t get Jeff Green numbers. The new CBA will compel GMs to be smarter going forward.

  • bmd

    As for Asik, he’s a workhorse. He plays fantastic defense down low protecting the rim. He is a great rebounder and fights for every rebound. He hustles and plays hard.

    On offense, the only scoring he will do is if he get the ball dumped off to him down low for a dunk. Or sometimes he can catch and score in the pick and roll… but he has stone hands sometimes.

    He is great at setting screens. I know that sounds like such a basic thing, but he’s really really good at it and it really helps the guards drive to the basket.

    So in a nutshell, he’s a great low-post defender and rim protector, and he’s a beast on the glass who won’t score for you on offense, but does help the offense with his ability to set solid screens and let the other players create.

    He is absolutely worth his contract.

    • LA Flake

      Ugh…I had some difficulty reading your post after “stone hands.” The ghost of Mark Blount will haunt me until I leave this planet.

      • bmd

        He doesn’t get the ball passed to him much, so it’s not really a problem lol.

        His problem is catching and finishing on a quick play like the pick and roll.

        I would argue that Asik was the most important player on the Rockets last year. I believe that the Rockets would have had more trouble if Asik was hurt for the season than if Harden was hurt for the season.

        He was really the anchor for the team. Houston was one of the 10 best teams with him on the floor, and one of the worst with him on the bench. That’s how big of a difference he made for them.

        • Curt Hays

          @laflake:disqus Think KPerk but taller (I think) and moves better. And scores a lot more.

    • frickenWaaaltah

      In this CBA, nobody is worth the messed up sort of contract he got, and certainly not for a 1 year rental after which he more likely than not will leave. The Rockets only did it so they could sign him for the short term, get Howard, and then trade him to avoid the back-loaded year. The Rockets got too clever and deserve to be stuck paying him.

      If he just had an ~8.5 mil per year contract…I guess that’s pretty normal for a starting center that can do what he does, but then again, what team plays like it needs a center like that now? Asik belongs in the 90s or early 2000’s when iso offense ruled. Look at how things have gone for Perk even in OKC; nobody wants to have their offense playing 4 vs 5 anymore.