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The final say on the OKC – Memphis – Boston threeway

Chuck - Red's Army January 7, 2014 Celtics News, Courtney Lee, Jerryd Bayless, Ryan Gomes 43 Comments

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We finally have some clarity on the draft picks involved in the three way deal:

Under terms of the deal announced Tuesday, the Grizzlies get Lee and a 2016 second-round draft pick from Boston. The Celtics get Bayless and also receive forward Ryan Gomes from Oklahoma City. The Thunder receive a conditional 2017 second-round draft pick from Memphis.

Boston had pursued Bayless in previous seasons.

The Grizzlies, with nearly $7.5 million left of a trade exception they created in January 2013 by dealing Rudy Gay to Toronto, can use that exception to absorb Lee’s contract, which runs for two more seasons at slightly more than $11 million after this season.

My OCD wouldn’t let me rest until I learned why OKC was involved.

Gomes was waived seconds after the trade was made official. Bayless will wear #11.

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  • Curt Hays

    Can someone please explain why we NEED Bayless? I understand the salary savings, but this keeps getting presented as though we want him as a player. Unless there are more moves to be made, we don’t need him.

    • Matthew Diehm

      Salary is the most important reason I can think of, but it’s a smart move to bring in another guy that can bring the ball up the floor for stretches when J. Crawford is on the bench. Pressey has done a solid job in spurts but has struggled with his shot, not to say Bayless hasn’t struggled as of late but he’s torched us recently. Who knows when Rondo will be back and in consistent game shape at that. Not sure about this trade in short term other than financial priorities. Gonna miss C. Lee and his defense. Overall I think you’re right about Ainge wanting to start cutting costs sooner rather than later. But, OMG who would ever take on Gerald Wallace’s contract??? That’s the big one for me this year.

      • Curt Hays

        Wallace may not be worth that much money, but he sure does play hard. We really only need to get rid of one of Wallace/Humphries. Someone might pick up Wallace for the playoffs. Indiana maybe?

        • adam

          Would probably have to get a 3rd team involved?

          • Matthew Diehm

            I don’t see any other way, and it’s still hard to see from that prospective. lol

        • Matthew Diehm

          I respect the hell out of G. Wallace, kinda always have, but that salary is CRAZY!!! I mean, who has the cap space and assets to make that kind of trade work god only knows. We’d have to get at-least one other team involved and would probably be very complicated and if we did so we may have to sweeten the deal with another player or picks…urgghh. As for Kris Humphries, I’d actually be in favor of keeping him as a solid rotation player now that he’s proven he still has the knack for board-work and jump shots. His contract expires which is great but I say why not re-sign him for something like a 3 year 12mil contract or something, that way he’s still productive and could still be easier to trade down the line if needed.

          • Curt Hays

            I agree with every word of this. For the record, I was in favor of keeping Kris on the payroll (at a lower contract) from the day Rondo said that the fight was history.

          • jason benn

            and the day he said him and kris were talking of messing with media and starting a twitter feud for laughs

          • Curt Hays

            Hahaha, yeah, that would’ve been awesome.

      • Shawn

        Wallace and Bass for Gasol! lol I don’t really want gasol but the fact that his contract expires is pretty damn enticing. Lakers get some defense, maybe a protected pick. and the celtics get tons of savings after this year

        • GoKingsGoCeltsGoTigersGoNiners

          Not happening.

    • jrleftfoot

      he`s better than Pressey

      • Curt Hays

        That still doesn’t explain it to me. We aren’t going to win because we have Bayless. I just don’t see us being able to keep Bayless AND Steez. Rondo will be back soon. Pressey is just so cheap that I can’t imagine paying an extra ~$2M just to have a third PG who is better. If we were trying to win, I’d understand. Maybe Danny is positioning us to make a playoff run? If so, then Bass and Wallace better be leaving soon. Maybe we will get Pau Gasol. HELL YES.

        • CFH

          The talk about wanting Bayless as a player rather than for financial reasons makes me wonder if Steez already has one foot out the door in some other trade. His stock did go quite high earlier this season.

          • Curt Hays

            THAT would make sense. But all this talk…is any of it from anyone with the authority to make a trade? If not, then is this all just a way to get web hits in a down season?

          • Rich Jensen

            Here’s my thinking: Celtics would prefer Crawford/Bradley/Rondo as their back court, but Bayless gives them a backup option if Crawford gets a crazy offer sheet from some other team.

          • Curt Hays

            That is logical, but I still think that “pursuing” Bayless has very little to do with this unless Danny really thought that Lee was overpaid.

          • Rich Jensen

            I agree. Getting a factory-second Jordan Crawford in the deal is a useful bonus.

          • Curt Hays

            So then, Rich, what next? Deal Bass for Asik? Don’t you think we need to get something for Jeff Green?

          • Rich Jensen

            Bass, filler, pick for Asik would be a good deal. And no, I don’t think the C’s need to deal Green.

            I think Ainge views Green, Rondo, Sully and probably Bradley as key pieces in a championship contender, but he needs to add a defensive center and an all star to get there.

            If you think that the Celtics are that close, then you keep Green because of how valuable he is on a championship contender. Trading him means you’re giving up on a quick return to contention, and I don’t think Ainge has done that, nor do I think he should.

          • Curt Hays

            Those are the same two pieces that I’ve been looking for as well. The defensive Center has been needed for years, so I hope that doesn’t mean Danny doesn’t want one. I just have trouble finding a way to get an All Star while we’re still paying Green, Wallace, and Humprhies.

            Say you add Asik, Kelly is a great back up for him. Then we have to pick up one more guy? Does that mean that we tank this year and pray for a lottery pick, or do you go for someone in the Summer?

            I think tanking is too risky, but I don’t know what all star will be worth it the price.

          • Rich Jensen

            Tanking is risky, but trying their darnedest and getting just destroyed inside has the Celtics sitting at #9 in the lottery draw right now–with the #19 pick as well. Bundle those to move into the top 5?

            According to Hoops Hype, the Celtics are committed to $42.8M next year, which is about $20M below the expected cap, and $32M below the tax. That’s plenty of money to work with, especially since they will almost certainly be able to draft a difference-maker next summer.

          • Curt Hays

            Then why did we let KG go????

          • Rich Jensen

            Because Billy King made Ainge an offer he couldn’t refuse. Also, per my optimistic timeline, the C’s could contend for a title in 2015/16, and by then KG would be gone even if Ainge hadn’t traded him.

          • Curt Hays

            Not good enough. If KG wouldn’t stay without P2, that’s one thing, but KG as a Celtic…he’d have been great for Kelly and Sully. Now I’m just mad.

          • Rich Jensen

            King wouldn’t do the deal unless he got Pierce & KG. And in return, the Celtics got, pretty much, the Nets’ future for the next five years+.

          • Curt Hays

            Traded the Nets’ 5 year future for the Celtics’ 5 year history, HAHAHA.

          • GoKingsGoCeltsGoTigersGoNiners

            Have you seen what’s happening in brookyn?!

          • GoKingsGoCeltsGoTigersGoNiners

            The celtics are not a contender! They are finally losing games as they should be. The winning streak to the season was a total joke and probably cost us a high pick. Sadly!

  • Curt Hays

    It’s looking like the new CBA is going to effectively force teams to spend less. I like this, I think. Danny Ainge is going to come out of next season looking like a genius for getting started so early on rebuilding and cost cutting. Every team is about to go through this. Brooklyn and New York will be in the WORST shape. The Lakers may end up pretty poorly. GO CELTICS.

    • WardenOfTheNorth

      Genius? Not so sure. I’m a fan of Ainge but keep in mind, this current roster is making $71 million combined and their record is 13-21. Granted, Rondo has been out all year and that 13-21 record could be more like 17-17. Still, he should be thankful that the Grizzles gave him a late xmas present. He’s correcting his mistakes and moving on. Bayless is not part of the future, unless he is willing to continue to be a backup on a rebuilding team and make $2-3 mil/year. I don’t see him doing that. So, enjoy his game for the next 3 months, because after that, he’s gone. Same goes for Humphries, Bogans and Brooks. Paying a combined $38 mil over the next two years to Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace will be the hardest pill to swallow. If Ainge can move those contracts, only then will I call him a “genius”.

      • Curt Hays

        Like you said, that $71M includes a $11M for a guy who isn’t playing and another $22M for guys we picked up to get out from under PP and KG.

        I think getting out from under Wallace is the challenge. Kris got his money, I think, because everyone thought that it would be possible to capitalize on the Kardashian name. Kris deserves a new contract, as a Celtic, next year at probably $5-6M.

        As much as I think Rich Jensen has it figured out, the Jeff Green part is the only area we disagree. I think Boston NEEDS to deal Green and get a Paul George.

        All that being said, I still think Ainge will be looked at as brilliant for starting the rebuilding so early. The New Yorks will be scrambling for years now.

        • pierce Hart

          Can’t see us getting a Paul George type player. Unless we win the lottery. I’m having a dilemma about The team going forward. For rondos team you can either pay Bradley his 8 mil add a shot blocking centre ( Cauley Stein looks good) and hope they improve or you deal Bradley or Green and try and draft or get an offensive wing player. I would love to see Exum if we could get a player like him to go with rondo in the backcourt. Another alternative is to add a top offensive and defensive centre and keep everyone else but that ain’t gonna happen

        • Rich Jensen

          Well, yeah, you’d trade Green for an upgrade, like Davis for Bass, or Perk for Green, but I don’t think you need to part with Green because his salary is out of line, nor do you need to do so to be able to afford a marquee player.

          Green’s not dead weight, is what I’m saying.

          • GoKingsGoCeltsGoTigersGoNiners

            Green has done nothing meaningful for this organization. I would send him out in a heartbeat.

        • Rueben Maroni

          What planet do you live on. No one with Paul George talent is putting on a green uniform any time soon, Kris H is gone and most likely Avery. The worst team in the league was beaten b the second worst team by 30 points,

    • jason benn

      im all for trading green, as long as either himself or a combo of him and bass maybe gets us another small forward cuz otherwise we r stuck with wallace starting NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!I agree though green needs to go we have traded away plenty of players early on when they didnt work out, johnson, billups and so on. sure those first two kinda bit us in the butt billups winning multiple rings johnson being a all star, but i definetly have no worries about jeff green suddenly figuring it out when he is traded and destroying us becoming the next mj or something. he is mr consistent at being inconsistent! green, bass, wallace, bogans, brooks, bayless not in that order but those are the guys im guessing slash hoping are on the trade block

      • Curt Hays

        After last night, I’d support trading Bass and Green for Larry Bird. With the new Hyperfuse Nikes, Bird would dominate.

        • jason benn

          i could see him still being a knock down set shooter lol until he decides to rebuild his driveway :’( himself again lol i wanna see the nba put the old guys back in like when they have that challenge with a nba wnba and ex nba player id love to see them put in larry bird in the three pt contest with the current guys spice things up lol

          • Curt Hays

            Do NOT mention the driveway.
            Did you hear Paul George talking about earlier this season? Said he stopped by practice one day, took of his jacket, hit 15 consecutive Js, put his jacket back on, and left.

          • jason benn

            roflmao mums the word well in this case bird is the word lol
            hell yeah i heard about that! thats why i wanna see them bring the legends back ramp up exposure for all star weekend something new to spice it up. larry bird will walk in that locker room filled with reggie miller,ray allen, steph curry,klay tompson, dan merje (however its spelt) and whoever else current and former should be in it, but he without a doubt would walk back in that locker room in his nice suit this time, look around and say just wanna see who is gonna come in second tonight, then he will win without taking his suit jacket off roflmao maybe not like that but it be another lure of larry legend to add to his legendary resume.

  • Brick James

    Wait what? We got Gomes in the deal and waived him? Is he hurt? I remember him being a solid player.

    • Curt Hays

      Just a cost cutting thing. That’s all.