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Your Morning Dump..Where Boston is now one of the frontrunners for Asik

Chris Jones December 18, 2013 Celtics News, Rumors, The Morning Dump 64 Comments

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Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

According to multiple reports, the Celtics have positioned themselves as frontrunners for the elite defender and rebounder. The Rockets are widely expected to move Asik by Thursday because it serves as the final day for a team to acquire players eligible for inclusion in a package deal at the February trade deadline.

ESPN’s Marc Stein and Brian Windhorst reported early Wednesday that the Celtics are “increasingly active in the Asik talks” and have emerged as the “strongest rivals” to the Philadelphia 76ers in trade discussions. Stein and Windhorst mentioned both Jeff Green and Brandon Bass as possible bait (one or the other), and the Celtics possess a wealth of first-round picks.

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Another team, deemed a “wildcard” by one league source, has teetered on the edge of negotiations and could become more seriously involved before the Rockets’ self-imposed deadline of Friday to complete a deal.

Houston is pursuing a power forward in a deal, with candidates including Atlanta’s Paul Millsap, Philadelphia’sThaddeus Young, Boston’s Brandon Bass and Jeff Green and Cleveland’s Anderson Varejao.

Yahoo/Woj: Hawks, Celtics, Cavaliers, 76ers lead pack to acquire Rockets center Omer Asik

Omer Asik’s name has been linked to Boston for a few weeks now. If the price is right, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ainge and his guys make a play for him. Brandon Bass and Courtney Lee seem expendable, and we’ve got a surplus of draft picks. Including Jeff Green’s name makes more the deal more enticing for Houston, but is he someone the Celtics want to part with? Either way, the thought of a defense centered around Asik, Rondo, and Bradley sounds awfully nice.

 Related links:  ESPN Boston:  Asik talks progressing

On Page 2: Danny’s got his fingers in a lot of pies

The Celtics have been a major presence in reported trade scenarios over the last week or two, but they’ve been largely missing where the telephone meets the ear.

While the rumor mills have been working overtime churning out product, the club’s participation has been fairly minimal to this point.

So there was more logic than substance when a general manager told us, “It looks like Danny (Ainge) doesn’t want anything to happen in the league until he gets a chance to see if he can find something in it for Boston. I think he’s got his fingers in a lot of pies.”

As of yesterday, nothing was cooking.

“We’re waiting for an opportunity that makes sense for another team and for us,” said Ainge, the Celts president of basketball operations. “We’re looking to see if there is a win-win out there. But there really isn’t much of anything happening right now. It’s December.”

Boston Herald

Hopefully this helps put the Rondo-Sacramento rumors to rest for a few days, at least. For those of you who haven’t heard, former CSN analyst Donny Marshall came out of nowhere yesterday saying a blockbuster deal sending Rondo to Sacramento for “players” was nearly complete. Several (far more) reliable sources have since stricken down that rumor, and Steve Bulpett’s is the most recent example.

Having to deal with Marshall’s baseless comments is a common event for Boston, even with his departure to Brooklyn where he now covers the Nets. Some mentioned that the rumor’s root could be an effect of Marhsall’s dislike for Rondo, and his friendship with Ray Allen. A stretch for sure, but not entirely impossible given Marshall’s thirst for relevance.

It’s been made very clear by Danny Ainge and his crew that Rondo remains at the heart of Boston’s rebuild. Sure, at 27 years old, there isn’t a ton of time to waste in returning to contention, but there’s almost zero chance Boston could get an equal return in a trade for Rondo. Draft picks are always sweet, but the Celtics are already loaded in that department. As for players that’ve already proved worthy of an NBA contract, no names have come close to matching Rondo’s talent.

Sidenote: Rondo is due back soon and assuming he’s not heading out West, there lies an actual chance for this team to crossover into winning-record territory. A wicked winter nightmare for those who dream of Wiggins and Parker; but something you’ve got to respect nonetheless. Of course, the Celtics are just as close to returning to the bottom of the East’s barrel, so much remains to be seen.

The rest of the links:

CSNNE: Rondo trade not happening | Bass for Asik, where do I sign?  |  ESPN Boston: Guarding the glass ||  Globe:  Olynyk working on 3 point shot  |  WEEI:  Love on loss to the Celtics: “[Expletive] happens”

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  • Chuck Da buck

    THis is so dumb if they trade green this will make us way worse i think that olynyk and faverani will both be better than Asik I’m gonna be pissed if this happens.

    • Duke

      Yeah in the long run I think you’re right. Asik could improve, but its not as likely as Fav and Olynyk improving. It’s been proven plenty of times already that these young players just need some time and experience to improve, we pick them because we see that potential.

  • Chuck Da buck

    Ainge how dumb can you be? If u want a real center tell your coach to play faverani more he is by far the better player so why trade for a guy that u already have who is cheaper and younger. Fav is smaller but he’s a better offensive weapon and Asik is not that much better than him at defense faverani is a better shot blocker. I don’t understand this why not play faverani more especially against bigger players which is something he was doing great at the beginning of the season but for some reason Stevens only puts him in against quick pfs so it makes him look bad. It’s is pissing me off if u want a bigger lineup start fav and sully against bigger teams problem solved. If ainge does this I will hunt him down.

    • Brian Pahlm

      Fav is no where near the defensive player asik is. On offense the gap is more narrow but asik will average 10pts a game with 30 mins. With him at center is really takes the pressure off sully.

      • Chuck Da buck

        Faverani would easily average a double double if he played thirty a game. And yes Asik is better defensively but the gap offensively between the to is bigger than the gap defensively. The reason fav isn’t looking good on defense is he’s playing quicker guys with the second unit he is very good against true centers. It is not worth losing green for a glorified role player. Fav could do exactly what Asik does in a starting role.

    • Dombili

      Do you really think Asik is not that better defensively than Faverani?
      Because if you’re serious with that comment, I’m pretty sure you haven’t seen Asik play.

      The sole reason why Faverani doesn’t get more minutes is because he’s a defensive black hole. Getting blocks doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re a good defender. In Vitor’s case it’s the opposite of that because he usually drifts away from his position in order to get blocks. That may work
      sometimes, but usually it results in the opposing team getting an easy
      bucket because he leaves his man alone to contest the shot. If the
      opposing team have smart players (which they often do), they make the
      extra pass and his gamble costs us.

      Asik may not be a flashy player but he’s one of the best rim protectors in the league. I’m not exaggerating in saying that. He’s an elite rebounder (his REB% numbers are close to Howard) and even though he doesn’t do much (if any) offensively, he’s great for P&R plays (which we rely on heavily, as many NBA teams do) because he’s a mobile center who can set solid (not slipping) screens. That may sound like a small thing, but one of the many reasons why Rockets was “successful” last year was because of him. You can confirm this by checking the drive stats from last year. He was also the biggest reason why Rockets had an average defensive team last year even though they had a roster full of players who can’t play defense (and who’re often mocked because of how bad they’re defensively).

      If we send Green for Asik, that’s a steal beyond comparison. I’m sorry if you like flash plays that Green does 2-3 times a week, but I’d rather have a solid, consistent player on my team. I’m sick of hoping Green to show up every game and I can’t believe how people still overrate him.

      • Chuck Da buck

        That’s a steal whos going to play sf. If you think this makes us better your crazy we would have no sf it will make us awful on offense jeff green is one of two players on our team who gets doubled and teams have to know where he is at. It’s would make us a lot worse if it doesn’t make u a better team why do it.

        • Brian Pahlm

          I can’t see the rockets taking Lee. They had him already. I see bass bogans and the clippers pick making it work. Fav is not a starting center. If he could do it he would. He is a better offensive player but the model of a center who is a rock defensively and can give you 10/10 has been established. A better d takes the pressure off of everyone. It is alot eaiser to win Iif you only have to scire 95 points and not 100. The celtics get abused In the paint. Asik will put an end to that.

          • Shawn

            It’s going to be a three team trade so I could see a trade like this going down http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lspbt2x
            If trade link doesn’t work:
            Celtics send Lee to rockets and Bogans to 76ers
            Rockets send Asik to celtics and Brewer to 76ers

            76ers send young to rockets maybe recieve the clippers pick

          • Chuck Da buck

            Vitor would give u 10 and 10 if he played thirty minutes a night. Asik and vitor both have the same problem that is trying to defend smaller bigs and there lack of lateral quickness if Stevens played vitor against real centers he could do what Asik does and if Stevens played Asik against smaller players he would also get burned like vitor has been against small lineups.

      • Chuck Da buck

        If Asik was so damn good he would be playing and the reason he aint playing is they don’t want to show teams he’s not worth the contract they gave him. Seriously someone as good as your saying should not be riding the bench all year.

        • Duke

          Yeah even considering asik would be a lot better than bass and lee, I’m not sure about taking on his contract and giving up a pick for him as well. He’s 27 or 28 , 4th year in NBA. Could improve , could not improve.

        • Dombili

          No, the reason he’s not playing because there are only a handful of players in the league who’s better than him defensively and the Rockets have one of those players (Hint: His name is Dwight).

          • Chuck Da buck

            He don’t even come in when Dwight’s off the floor because as good as his defense is he’s a liability on offense so his game actually hurts the team. If he’s as good as your saying they would make time for him to be n the floor.

        • Frank Aziza

          It’s not that Asik is an all-star. It’s he’s a solid 7 footer that can defend , rebound and set good screens. He can defend Hibbert. Hibbert and the pacers aren’t going away in the next 5 years, you may as well get someone to defend him now.

      • Chuck Da buck

        So a starting lineup of Crawford Bradley Wallace bass/sully and Asik is a better lineup than with green I don’t think so but if u trade bass for Asik now I think your team gets better.

        • Frank Aziza

          A line up of Rondo Bradley, Green, Sully and Asik is a 3rd seed in the east. It takes away a complete domination of Roy Hibbert against us. Hey , a turned ankle here or there on Miami or Indy anything can happen.

      • Duke

        Green averages 16.5 per game, plays great defense, picks it up for big games, and it has been shown is he is just as consistent as big time players such as Paul George and Lebron James. Green is an efficient player too. First year fully removed from heart surgery, and he can still improve at his age. Green’s a keeper, but I would trade Bass and Lee for Asik , maybe even throw in a pick

        • Chuck Da buck

          I would do bass and lee also but if we lose green we have Wallace at sf he can’t even make a free throw any more.

        • Dombili

          He’s just as consistent as PG and LeBron and plays great defense? Wow. Okay then.

          • DirkDigler

            There was an article posted on here last week breaking down and detailing how greens efficiency compares to PG and lebron

      • Chuck Da buck

        Your wrong about vitor on defense when he was starting playing against players his size he was good and most the times he was scored on was him covering someone else’s man usually basses and on the pik n roll the guards are not getting back to there man or blocking the passing lane so it leaves vitor trying to cover two guys at once.

      • Robert Hodgman

        Green for Asik is a steal beyond comparison???? Are you stoned beyond comparison?
        That is a joke right?

      • Chuck Da buck

        Asik is better in defense but the reason I don’t like the trade is green is better than Asik and we need him more than Asik I believe that all of our bigs can provide exactly what Asik does Stevens just has to use them correctly vitor can guard the brook lopes and Marc gasol s whil our quicker ones can guard quicker players. We will have a harder time replacing what green does.

      • Robert Hodgman

        Here Dom, you obviously need an education about Jeff Green, so read this article from this site that points out how wrong you and his other haters are about his “inconsistency”. Cut and paste this shizznit.
        http://redsarmy.com/2013/12/13/true-or-false-is-jeff-green-inconsistent/

        • Dombili

          Wow, I really feel educated!

          Here’s an advice (not a lesson) for you: don’t patronize someone you don’t know on the internet and think that they’re morons. Second, if you really are into sport analytics, you should know this better than anyone that there’s no perfect stat that can summarize a player. Yours is no exception. Every stat is flawed without taking other stats into consideration. You did not give any reasons as to how you come up with those numbers (1 AST = 1 FG etc), you assigned each player to have a certain amount of points, rebs and assists without looking over their field goal percentage while trying to prove CONSISTENCY of all things. Not to mention you haven’t used the word “defense” once in your article, which is half of the game.

          Before you try to educate other people, go read Basketball on Paper by Dean Oliver, or at least read a few articles on APBR. I applaud your passion regarding math and statistics, but math deals with certainty, not assumption.

          • Curt Hays

            Honestly, if you read my comments I explain how that study is biased in favor of Green anyway…

          • Dombili

            I’m sorry, I haven’t read your comment as it was pretty obvious why the whole idea was flawed.

            Now that I read it, you seem to support the article, which I disagree with. To start with, the definition of “consistency” shouldn’t be “what the player can do given the best possible scenario”, it should be “whether he can keep up with his game”. Which is a hard thing to measure. Because if you go with my definition, you can call LeBron a consistent player, and yet you can also call the most terrible player in the league consistent as well because he’s consistently terrible. Along with the reasons I had listed on my previous comment, this is another reason why I disagree with the article. Consistency is important but the level of consistency is much more important. The only thing Green’s consistent at is inconsistency and the fact that he’s being compared to Paul George and LeBron in that regard is laughable (I realize the article wasn’t trying to make that point, I’m just saying you simply can not compare those players to Green because they’re on a different level). Although it looks like you disagreed with that idea (http://redsarmy.com/2013/12/13/true-or-false-is-jeff-green-inconsistent/#comment-1166107197). This is the part where stats don’t help you; which is that Green simply doesn’t want the ball in his hands. I was hopeful that he’d be more involved this year, but even when he plays well, he can stay in the corner and not get involved in possessions, which is maddening considering he should be taking advantage of this opportunity while Rondo’s out.

          • Curt Hays

            I thought I was rather clear, but my point was that I support the conclusion of putting the ball in Jeff’s hands more.

            My comment describes a specific flaw that introduces bias to the study. In addition, I described a definition of consistency that is consistent (couldn’t help myself) with yours. Like you, I prefer a definition that considers average performances and above. By calculating an average and attributing positive value to all performances that exceed said average, this, while only a slight modification of Mike J’s method, qualifies consistency based on the level of play.

            I disagree with you that the stats don’t help here. It depends on the question being answered. This study may have a flaw, but it is a valuable exercise towards working out a new way for finding who needs more responsibility.
            Everyone keeps saying that you can’t compare the players, but you can. Consider the change in KG’s game between Minnesota and Boston. The team/system has to be accounted for.
            If you don’t compare the players, then how do you know that they are on different levels?

          • Dombili

            Oh, sorry then. I must have misunderstood you.

            But you also misunderstood me about something. What I meant by “stats can’t help you there” was that it’s impossible to understand Green’s reluctance as to why he doesn’t like to have the ball in his hands. That’s something psychological which can not be measured by stats. I didn’t exactly follow his career closely before Boston, but looks like having the ball in his hands is not exactly something he’s comfortable with and some players just don’t like to get out of their comfort zone unless something drastic happens.

            You obviously can compare players, no one is stopping you. But in that context I think it was unfair because I thought what he was doing was comparing some high school sprinter who has been getting gold medals consistently to Usain Bolt. They’re both consistent in their own level, but Usain has a different level of performance he has to be consistent at. I realize this is a flawed analogy as Green, George and James play in the same league, but I’m sure you get my point.

          • Robert Hodgman

            “Don’t patronize someone you don’t know on the Internet…” That is EXACTLY what YOU did to Chuck right off the bat! “Hi kettle…” “Hey pot wassup?” “Ummmm…you’re black.”
            Your assessment of the two players is just too passionate. You’re sick of Green, which is fine but that has clouded your judgment. You are in the vast minority of people who believe Asik is worth giving up Green for.
            By the numbers Jeff Green is a better all around BBall player, by my personal eye-test Green is a better player, and most of the Celtics fans on this or any other site agree with that assessment.
            So your whole point is based on your claim that YOU are smarter than a large majority of other Celtics fans, advanced scouts, and statisticians.
            That is a tough, tough stance to argue from. I admire the cajones!

          • Robert Hodgman

            You know Dom, nobody would have said anything to you if you were just like “I think Green for Asik is a good deal…I don’t trust Green to be the player he could or should be.” But you didn’t, you had to insult people, and throw out that the deal would be a “Steal beyond comparison”. That is a BS throw-away, statement designed to raise the ire of Jeff Green supporters. Go troll elsewhere, your point would be taken if it weren’t wrapped in misplaced anger.

          • Dombili

            So, because I said “Steal beyond comparison”, I insulted people? What? I’m not sure who’s the troll here.

            I didn’t say “All of you are morons if you think this deal is bad. That’s a steal beyond comparison”. I said I’d be very much in favor of this deal, and I listed my reasonings. That’s not a throw away. You know what a throw away is? It’s calling someone a troll and saying that they insult people.

            Oh and about the part where you telling me to go somewhere else; you bet.

          • Dombili

            I did? I have replied to his comment and told him that he can’t be serious with his comment. He could’ve replied back to me (which he did) with his arguments, but his arguments consisted of “give Vitor 30 mins and he’ll get you double doubles”. I’m not interested in that kind of discussion. I have not try to lecture him, I have expressed my opinions. If you think I have a holier-than-thou attitude, I’m sorry. That wasn’t my intention. I should mention that English is my second language, so maybe what I’m trying to say has come across as arrogant.

            Yes, I am passionate about it because we’re talking about sports. Just because I’m not passionate, doesn’t mean I’m irrational. I’m sick of Green because I actually like Green. I know he’s capable of doing much more physically, but mentally he’s not there yet and history suggests that he won’t ever be there because he’s been mediocre throughout his career. If Green had maxxed his potential, yes, Green is a more complete player than Asik, but we’re not dealing with possibilities here, we’re dealing with reality. And the reality is, Asik is a better and a more consistent player than Green. Simple as that.

            I really don’t care what the vast majority of the fans think here. I have my opinion, which I expressed and I welcome everyone to have a rational conversation with me. But clearly you’re not capable of that, since you’re attacking me instead of actually replying to the context of my previous reply.

    • KGino

      Dude chuck da buck you gotta learn to use some punctuation man. Your comments are unreadable at times

      • Chuck Da buck

        I know I just hate typing it takes forever and punctuation is something I’m awful at. I hate how u have to keep hitting the arrow to switch periods question marks and then to do other stuff u gotta switch completely to a new keyboard I suck at this technology stuff I’m lucky I can work my iPad.

  • jason benn

    i think the bass idea is great, yea we have fav but he is stil a rookie prone to rookie calls and rookie mistakes, so we need fav to learn how to play in the nba still it definetly wouldnt hurt faverani to have asik there teaching him as well how to play tough nba defense without fouling or whatever slick moves refs dont notice that he can teach him. we have green bass kelly (cant rememeber how to spell his last name lol) sully kris, fav, 6 power forwards 6! even if we trade bass we are still at 5 power forwards maybe 4 since fav plays center but he could play the four i think since he can stretch the floor. in terms of centers we have ZERO!!!!! this is the trade we have all been waiting for the key cog to a path to a contending team we dont fing need a center with any offensive game we will have four other guys to do that we need our center to play defense first second and third offense as a fourth option for them. this will be a GREAT trade the first time since perkins was traded that we had a legit good nba center…..jermaine doesnt count aka mr ibreaklikeglass and shaq either sadly didnt count since he injured himself just driving to the practice facility daily lol WE NEED ASIK!!!! honestly with a rondo who will show up in the play offs and jeff green which at this pt they should keep and not trade who also loves to take dumps on the heat sully into beast mode and finally a presence at the rim we could honestly start surprising people in the playoffs i definetly am not saying we are contenders we still have alot of moves to make, player wise but we would all be foolish if we underestimate brad stevens ability as a coach. the ncaa and the rest of march madness for two years underestimate him and guess what two years in a row he gets to the championship with a mid major team this guy knows how to coach and win games. if we get him the right starting five i like where he can lead this team…..ill take another banner over a high draft pick anyday high hopes still but if we get asik we will be closer to banner 18

    • Chuck Da buck

      I would do bass lee but no piks.

      • jason benn

        the picks are so they take lee back to houston and his contract with him they really wanna get rid of bass lee wallace hump those contracts hump they may just keep so by trading for asik they can still lose 12 mil on their cap and then gain it all back and then some so if we get asik i think hump stays just so we get that cap relief for taking asik…..besides we have a million first round picks if we win another championship before 2016, 2017,,2018 even and then somehow miss out on the best player ever which we all know the nba would never allow the celtics to get that pick i still wouldnt kick myself for this one championships are what we are about here. that and hard work defense and team play, asik fits the bill perfectly sure he got mad about howard coming and said something, but he wont say anything when he will be the starting center for sometime in boston and he knows where he is going and what our goal always is.

  • pierce Hart

    I feel a 3 way deal is the only way this could work out for us. Lots of Houston fans seem to be keen on bass and lee and LAs pick. If we package that to Houston, they then send Asik to Phi we recieve Thadeous Young and Spencer Hawes expiring deals. This would make a lot of sense clears our cap for the next two years and we’d have over 20 mil coming off the books

    • bill_nair

      This is the only deal I like. I like Asik I don’t think he makes much sense on this current roster. Giving up Green for him in my opinion is ridiculous. Any first round pick outside of LAs next year is too much.

    • Shawn

      No pick should be sent to houston. they have no bargaining power

    • Curt Hays

      If this is for tanking and salary shedding purposes, sure. But there’s NO way you give up all three of those for Asik to go to Philly. That might shed SOME salary, but you’re giving up a pick just to shed salary. That’s not going to work.

  • Chuck Da buck

    Asik is the most overrated role player in nba history that is all he will ever be faverani is just learning the nba game and is already better than Asik this would destroy our team chemistry if green is gone. Wallace starting at the three are u kidding me he can’t score.

    • MrCuret

      From what I’m reading it’d be Bass, somebody else (probably Lee) + a pick. Houston wants Green, but Danny likes him & doesn’t want to move him. But look at it this way, right now Asik is a better defender & rebounder than Fav, yes he’s limited offensively but remember the Celtics have Ron Adams, who’s one of the best in the league in player development (& the reason why Rondo’s shooting has improved), so he’d would help Asik develop his offensive game. Also, Humpries is FA next summer, that’d leave the C’s with Sully, Asik, Olynyk & Fav, & would give Kelly & Vitor another season to develop. If Asik doesn’t pan out, then it would give the C’s an expiring contract to trade next season or they can let him go in FA.

      • Chuck Da buck

        I don’t mind the bass idea. Fav is a pretty good rebounder considering the minutes it seems he fills up the stat sheet quick. As long as its not green I’m happy green is going to be better when rondo comes back. I just think he’s to valuable especially seeing how he’s one of the better defensive wings and if u don’t have that against lebro Paul George durant your screwed and he also forces them to play defense something Gerald Wallace wouldn’t do.

  • adam

    trading Jeff green, are you kidding me?

  • Robert Hodgman

    IMO Asik will no longer be a “top 10″ center in this league within 2 years time. Last years draft had four 7 footers who all have the potential to be everything Asik is and more. Next year there will be 3 more centers in the draft that will probably be better than him in a couple years time. Add into that equation Howard, M. Gasol, Hibbert, Lopez, Noah, That beast in Toronto, Drummond, and you could make a case for guys like McGee and D.Jordan. And basically what you end up with in Asik is a decent but middle of the road starting center.
    Houston is also pulling some major BS with all the hype and “leaks” going on concerning this guy. They seem to have convinced most of the NBA that their BACKUP center is an all-star talent. HE IS NOT! He is a good starting center who is worth a Brandon Bass type player. NOTHING MORE!
    I wouldn’t mind getting him for the right price, but now Im so sick of it I kinda hope all suitors balk at HOUs rediculous asking price and they get stuck with him rotting on the bench and making their locker room a disaster.

  • Duke

    Maybe I wouldn’t even trade Bass, Lee, and a 1st rounder for Asik. Keep the chemistry, the defense, and the 1st round pick! Bass is underrated too

  • Shawn

    Houston is overreaching it’s position, I don’t see the need to give them a draft pick. Send them Lee and Bass at most but with Asik demanding a trade and refusing to play they have little negotiating power. The only leverage they have is what other teams are willing to offer. Even then I’d rather keep one of either bass or lee. I feel bass and brooks is good enough. Or if they’d prefer a wing who can defend then lee and brooks or humphries though don’t know how salaries would work in that scenario.

    • Curt Hays

      Bass and Brooks is the most obvious choice for matching salaries. If we don’t get rid of Bass, then we’ll just end up with too many duplicate positions.

      • Shawn

        I’d rather keep bass then lee personally.

        • Curt Hays

          I’ll try to not let the frustration show…frustration at seeing the same thing every year, not frustration at you.

          We just can’t win with all these duplicate players. Ever since we lost Perk and Powe (I don’t count either of the O’Neals, Shaq/Jermaine due to age and injury) we have had nothing but bigs who don’t dominate the paint (Big Baby/Brandon Bass/Rasheed/Troy Murphy, etc.) and small guys who don’t shoot as well as KG (Marquis Daniels/Von Wafer/Pietrus/Keyon).

          This boils down to other teams being able to crowd the paint and get the rebounds while we are unable to do anything about it. This was Danny’s fault mostly, but Doc Rivers failed to utilize rotations every stinking season. So what we end up with is a team of guys who all have the same skillset (or lack thereof) and little ability, other than our starters, to close out important games.

          Duplication is the cause of all this. Keeping Bass prolongs that duplication.

  • zippittyay

    If we are going to do the quick route in getting good, we have to target better players than Asik. I want a legit top 10 big like Aldridge or Love.

  • CoachAJ

    Including Green in any deal right now wouldn’t be wise for the C’s. He is our leading scorer and first defender against the Melo, Bron, and George guys. Bass is more expendable IF we get a replacement for what he is doing on defense. Asik could be that guy. Sully is showing he can go with the better PF’s out there and KO needs more minutes. We know Hump won’t be back next year? Maybe? But a solid presence like Asik-Sully-KO-Vitor is very progressive. As for Lee, I don’t think Houston wants him back but they might agree to Brooks, and one of those 1st round picks. I see Asik for Bass-Brooks-1st round pick.

    • wildrover4

      Don’t you think that Houston takes Philly’s offer before accepting Bass and Brooks?

      • CoachAJ

        They should, Young is more attractive than Bass, long term. But they already have Jones, who’s game is similar to Young. So we wait. Hate to lose a good guy like Bass, but the show must go on.

  • Curt Hays

    Also, Chris Jones, you write articles that I enjoy reading. Keep it up!

    • Shawn

      I didn’t even read the author. When did we get a new one? But yeah he fit’s in well here!

    • Chris Jones

      Thank you sir, look forward to getting to know all you guys.

  • KGino

    Bass and filler only, otherwise no dice. For all of you saying he would kill our offense… Rondo made Nenad Krstic, Semi Erdin, & many other awful big men look competent on offense… I’m sure Asik would be fine

  • forever_green

    Green for a defensive center?..how ironic

  • Celticsfanatic

    Do people really still take these rumors/Ainge’s comments at face value? I challenge anyone to find recent moves the Celtics have made with no justification; you may not like them, but it doesn’t mean the reasoning behind the move has no merit.

    I’m shocked there are Celtics fans out there that really think we’re trading for Asik to get better this year. We could be the third team in a deal that would net us picks or cap relief. We could be trading for Asik to flip or as a precursor of another move soon to come. We could be trading for him as a favor for the Rockets (healthy GM relations do have benefits, see: McHale, Kevin) and for cap space in a year and a half (which would make sense if Jeff Green is involved).

    There’s a lot of factors still unclear in this rumor. But you can bet Ainge won’t pull the trigger for no reason, even if we don’t see the benefit immediately.

  • Rich Jensen

    Latest from Woj is that Lee & Bass are headed out, Asik headed in, and Lee may be going to a third team. If so, this suggests that Ainge is going to make a play to keep Crawford next summer.

    Also suggests that the third team may provide the pick Houston is looking for in this deal, especially if they’re sending an expiring to Houston to make the salaries match.