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Woj: Celtics gaining traction with Bass, Lee and 1st rounder for Asik

Chuck - Red's Army December 18, 2013 Brandon Bass, Celtics News, Courtney Lee, Rumors 79 Comments

Bass

 

 

 

I make this deal.

Don’t freak about the 1st rounder. There are plenty to go around. We have two 1st rounders in each of the next 3 years.

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  • Tommy_Heinsohn

    Could someone point me in the direction of some defensive stats/numbers on Asik? His offensive numbers aren’t all that impressive but I keep hearing he’s a solid defender.

    • KGino
      • Luke Walton

        outstanding. thanks

    • Luke Walton

      the deal hinges almost entirely on asik being an elite defender, whether that can be proven by stats or not. We will know relatively quickly, and certainly after 10 games.

    • KGino

      Also check espn Boston — forsberg has an article on there breaking down his defense

  • Luke Walton

    I won’t call Brad Stevens a small ball guy, but he does seem to be leaning in that direction. If I am right, this deal would seem to undercut his flexibility on that front.

    • Andy

      He has to lean that direction. We don’t have a starting center remember?

      • Luke Walton

        true. but if we use fav as a means to read between the lines, favs PT has been decreasing steadily for some time. hence, I get the feel that stevens may ultimately be tempted to keep omer mostly on the bench unless dwight or chandler or hibberd are on the floor

  • svc359

    So how is Asik that different from Perkins when he was good? Not a big fan of this move. Lee has been a big contributor off the bench this year, and Bass has played great D on players like Lebron and Melo. Better to have bass defend them than trying to get Green to work that hard on both ends of the court. Plus Bass and Lee have been great locker room guys. Asik has been making a stink all season.

    Maybe I’m just too loyal to current celtics. I’d be a bad GM

    • Andy

      Perkins sucks Asik is good

      • Luke Walton

        perkins had 20 boards in one game in the 08 ECFs and played very good D. certainly didn’t suck then

        • Andy

          How’s he doing on okc?

          • svc359

            That’s why I said “when he was good”. No one is denying that Asik is a great defender. Just don’t think he’s worth those 2 player and a first rounder, especially with his ridiculous salary next year. He’s a one way player

          • Andy

            Perk was a good defender against certain bigs like dwight. Asik is an elite defender.

          • svc359

            I definitely see the appeal of having Asik, especially against Hibbert and Lopez in the east. However, since he’s only a positive on the defensive side, I’d imagine you could get someone whose sole job is to just D up those guys for a fraction of the cost. Also without giving up a pick and two big contributors on the current team. Look at the team chemistry now…it’s great.

            Also, Perk’s main knocks now that he’s on OKC are on the offensive end, where he looks awful. Why couldn’t we just get someone like that for cheap? Someone who wouldn’t need to carry a load offensively, but could just come in off the bench and play great D against the eastern conference bigs?

          • jason benn

            who in the league is this guy you look for????? asik will be the starter too when if whatever it is he comes here fav will be the bench center with kelly playing back up to sully wallace to green crawford to bradley and pressey to rondo. idk about you but ill like our chances with this team then…..might be my biased against bass but i certainly wont miss all his damn jab steps where he goes no where at all and shoots anyway after two jabs just shoot the damn ball if i can figure out you do that bass so does an nba scout.

          • Luke Walton

            You need to read the post your responded to:

            So how is Asik that different from Perkins when he was good?

    • KGino

      Better rebounder and defender. Taller than Perk too… Legit 7 feet.

      • Luke Walton

        the potapenko reference worries me. But potapenko was 6-10, played like he was 6-9, and on defense was only good at pushing people around. no shot blocking

      • svc359

        Still don’t think that’s worth Bass, Lee, and a pick, especially paying 15mil next year.
        The reason Indiana matches up so well with Miami is because Hibbert and West are offensive threats. The Heat have no one that can defend them. That would definitely not be the case with Asik. Having an elite defender is very valuable, but not at this cost and with such limited flexibility

        • Double D

          It’s only 8.5 against the cap.

        • jason benn

          nooooo they only reason is because the have no one on their roster that can handle those two massive giants forget how their offense is the heat has a small roster until the greg oden part what is it now 4 chapter works for them they have posh spice to d up hibbert and west roflmao thats why indy harasses them. that will be the case with asik too when he is with us, no one on that heat roster can handle a legit 7 foot 300 lbs center idk how much asik ways but must be close

          • svc359

            Ya you’re sort of agreeing with what I said. They match up with the heat because they heat have no one to guard their 2 huge guys. Also because the pacers guys are competent offensively. Asik is not.

          • jason benn

            maybe but he has a nice hook shot at least you dont average ten points in the nba and not be decent with at least one go to move, i dont care about his offense sure its nice to have five guys on the floor spacing and all that but then theres that issue of who scores id rather have asik be a threat down low which he is because of his size and strength. he doesnt care about offense either i bet becuase if he plays defense and rebounds that will definetly keep giving him a job unlike other one way offensive players that are not in the league anymore because of defensive liabilities for example marshon brooks dude can ball but no defense so where does that get him oh yeah towel waving duty lol

        • KGino

          then you’ll be pleasantly surprised when he gets here and exceeds your expectations as well as only 8.5 mil next year instead of 15 :)

    • Frank Aziza

      Are you kidding me? You get rid of Lee’d dreadful contract. You get a rim protector and a rebounder. He’ll score ten points a night when playing with Rondo. He makes us a top five defense.
      If Rondo plays like Rondo before the injury with this trade we can be the third best team in the east. We will match up great with Indiana.

      • jason benn

        since we are the fourth best team right now i believe this completely lol i think this and another move maybe for a better back up to green and we can really make some noise

    • jason benn

      bass has been a great locker room guy and lee uhhhhh who *cough* lee *cough* was the one complainging this year about running too much??? and bass as well has complained previously as well no other celtic player has done such a thing other then wallace but because he has that damn contract all he gets is a slap on the wrist from ainge, bass has been busting his ass because he wants to be traded just like he busted his ass to get his contract then sucked the following year, and as for lee might as well sell high when you can bet he goes back to throwing up clunkers in houston….again that is if he doesnt go to the sixers my guess for the other team he may go to

      • svc359

        You mean the same clunkers that put him #3 in the league for 3pt FG%?

        Also, where are the comments from Lee and Bass that you speak of? I must have missed them, because all the one’s I’ve seen are about how they’ve been team-first guys, and how somehow Bass has become the communicator and anchor on the defense

        • jason benn

          training camp stuff.plus sure of course bass is a good communicator and leader of defense how do you think we hook the rockets to trade asik for him they have been talking bass up because they want to trade him get good value so you talk them up, by clunkers i mean falling back into last year this shooting wont last for him thats why he gets traded so much and because he usaully has good contracts to trade with.

  • DJ Woods

    Why are the celtics giving up a first round pick? You say not to worry about
    the picks, we have plenty? the picks should be used on GREAT players not Asik who is overpaid, with a bad attitude. Also, why are the Celtics not including Jeff Green to Cleveland for Dion Waiters? he wants out and it gives us insurance for Bradley.

    • tvor03

      Because Dion Waiters is terrible?

      • DJ Woods

        Dion waiters is has arguably the biggest upside of any player not named lilard or davis from last years draft?

        • jason benn

          ummmmm correct me if im wrong thats the same year some guy named jared sullinger fell to the celtics and in his second year is oh yeah beastmoding in fourth quarters. i dont mind debate at all everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how silly it is. you know your talking about the player who punched his teams captain in the face weather they deny that or not.

    • MikeABQ

      Asik is not overpaid, he led the nba in total rebounds last year and is an elite defender heading into his prime. If we were to give up the 2015 LA pick, I see no issue. A pick in the 20-30 range can land a player like sullinger, or it can get fab melo. theres no gaurantee a pick will be GREAT at that point, while Asik is a proven big

      • Luke Walton

        i hope, we all hope, he is an elite defender. I suspect we will be a tad bit disappointed. if doc were the coach, asik would eventually get buried on the pine for one reason or another, making it an even bigger waste. hopefully stevens proves to be the anti-doc in this regard too

      • DJ Woods

        You don’t know if that pick will be in the 20-30 range. Asik plays defense and defense only while having a bad attitude if he doesn’t start. He isn’t overpaid? Asik will make $15million plus next year due to his poison pill that Houston paid so Chicago wouldn’t sign him. $15million+ for defense is overpaid when kendrik perkins was defense only and got what… Half of that per season?

        • MikeABQ

          Only 8 mil of that 15 counts torwards the cap, meaning the team would not be handcuffed by the salary when it comes to free agency. Perkins current deal that was inked when he was traded pays him 8 mil per year. All offense or alll D, thats just what you have to pay for quality center

        • MikeABQ

          As for the pick, you are right that we dont know what we would give up. I would prefer if that wasn’t included

        • SamR

          Except Perk’s not actually a good defender. He was acceptable when he could count on help from KG; he’s a below-average defender in OKC.

      • jason benn

        its ok some people dont understand basketball, some people seem to think rookies are the way to go rather then vets who can ball, besides he rebounds for his paycheck why do people not want him on our team we need more rebounders sully cant do it alone

    • Chuck Da buck

      There’s is no way I would give a 2014 pick.

    • jason benn

      did you escape from a crazy hospital somewhere!?!?! green for waiters thats just stupid and you forget crawford will be the insurance for the rest of the year at least

      • DJ Woods

        Jeff green is 27, averaging 16.5pts and 4.5 rebounds and 1.6 assists 0.3 steals while making $10+million this season and the following 2. Dion Waiters is 22, Averaging 14.9pts, 3.2 rebounds and 2.5 assists and 1 steal while on a rookie deal for 2 more years and then a RFA1 year deal. Waiters is still growing as a player. Green has never lived up to his #5 pick billing out of Georgetown. Yeah, ill trade Green for Waiters.

        • jason benn

          uhhh did you see green on the thunder where his averages were much higher but the thunder knew green would demand too much money along with kd westbrook harden they had to let him go, then sadly he was unlucky and had a heart problem which required surgery which regardless of who you are is gona take time to recover then to add in the fact of that hes playing nba basketball after heart surgery its gonna take him time wondering if the next hit to his chest will crack his scar open building confidence back and so on. waiters is a shooting guard which we have already in bradley and crawford oh yeah and green can play some two in a stretch as well so waiters is useless to us. thank god your not the gm of the celtics plus good luck trading a player who makes ten mil for a player then barely makes that but since your so smart with your gm skills you know that the salaries dont match let alone the idea is just dumb. you would prolly trade rondo for isiah thomas because he is younger and has room to grow.

          • DJ Woods

            You have made it abundantly clear through your ramblings that you can not have an adult debate without resorting to childish tactics. On that note ill leave it at this: Green’s PER is 15.25 through a little more than 5 seasons. Waiters PER is 14.37 through a little more than 1. You wanted me to look at green’s stats in OKC with Durant, Westbrook and Harden and he has the same numbers then as he does now when while back then he was a 2nd or 3rd fiddle while those players were finding themselves. Now he is the “man” on the Celtics and he is still the same. He is a role player not a superstar. as for that Rondo nonsense. I think the tem should build around Rondo and Sullinger and I have a very short list of players that I would be ok with trading Rondo for.. a list that includes Steph Curry. On that note, since you cant have an adult conversation without resorting to rude remarks and childish comments, I am done dealing with you. Just because someone does not share your lone, tunnel vision view, does not make them wrong or incorrect in this world. Maybe you should think outside the box rather than in your lonely, single minded head.

          • jason benn

            childish tactics says the guy who is name calling. just becuase you wanna sound like you know what your talking about pulling up advanced stats and trying to give your horrible trade idea foundation, doesnt mean your even close to being right before i explain with very simple facts that even a twit could understand id like to point out curry will not be traded for rondo so thats a bad idea too. now for your green for waiters deal the first reason just forget your advanced garbage crap look at what your trade does to our roster if it could happen which it wont and cant. you trade green for waiters now we have 2 pgs in rondo n pressey,6 count them 6 shooting guards now in bradley,lee,crawford,bogans,brooks,and your bad idea in waiters, then for small forwards we have gerald wallace and gerald wallace oh wait thats the same guy sorry we just have one small forward now then combo pf/c in sully fav hump bass, kelly…..thats a horrible idea just in that right if again if it could work. cleveland is getting 2,758,640 in trading waiters for green which means it doesnt work at all literally you cant trade a 3 mil contract for a 8 mil contract! so then i decided to do the nice thing and do your trade you want waiters for green but ill make it work and this would be your trade waiters and sideshow bob for green and crawford guess what cavs get plus 4 wins we get minus two wins with that wayyyyyyyyyy better room for growth in waiters, or you could trade bennett and waiters for green as well but yeaaaa how is anthony doing so far?!!?!?! your trade doesnt work thats my issue with it im not narrow minded at all see i gave you at least two possible trades that would work so before you go shoting off the mouth about crap you dont understand and just throw in stats you dont understand check your self fool now we are done *drops the mic*

  • Jester00

    would love this move puts Sully in a great spot and Humps contract can be great trade bait you got Sully KO Vic And Omar great front court rotation. It is win Win for the C’s other then the Poison pill!!!!!!! when Rondo comes back Lee is the odd man out so i am fine with this mind you all I have been drinking since noon but i like it. Plus dude hits the glass like a beast

    • forever_green

      Wait…you mean there’s a time when you stop drinking?.lol

      • Jester00

        when I sleep, or have to go to work, and the 2 days of the year I go to church or nights I play rec bball but I do drink afterward

  • Mannie

    This is a good trade if it happens. But i don’t know why Houston would want Bass when it didn’t work out well when he played with Howard in Orlando.

    • Luke Walton

      we ain’t gonna win the title without a few more moves. So the worst thing that can happen is it doesn’t work out for 18 months. But if he is as good at defense as some of these articles indicate, then we have someone to protect the rim and danny can quickly try to make a few more moves to take us to the next level

    • jason benn

      dont forget to add in who the coach was either at that time, now its kevin mchale for the coach so expect better results with those two.

  • Andy

    Imagine the celtics being a good rebounding team!?

    • jason benn

      holy jumping jelly beans batman did you just use celtics followed by good rebounding pinch me im dreaming lol

      • Andy

        Haha nice

  • eddysamson

    Man Bass and Lee are 2 dudes I wanted to be traded since last year but theyve both really stepped it up and now Im not so sure. Wish we could move Wallace Humph and Brooks/Bogans for him

    • Chuck Da buck

      I know I feel the exact same way I was praying they would be gone.

  • Chuck Da buck

    The only pick I would give them is the clippers but I wouldn’t mind if it was bass and lee.

  • Paul Pierce

    Get it done Danny.

  • RedsLoveChild

    This will NOT end well.

    Nenad Krstic : Veteran center from Eastern Europe, plays for multiple NBA teams, becomes a Celtic in his late 20`s…quickly decides Eastern Europe beats Boston!!

    Darko Milicic : Veteran center from Eastern Europe, plays for multiple NBA teams, becomes a Celtic in his late 20`s…quickly decides Eastern Europe beats Boston!!

    Omer Asik : Veteran center from Eastern Europe, plays for multiple NBA teams, becomes a Celtic in his late 20`s…??????

    • jason benn

      uhhhhhh by quickly decides you mean realized no one offered them a contract because they were mediocre at best and wanted to keep getting paid some kind of money……..darko doesnt count btw because he left because of his family issues so your point is moot

    • forever_green

      I know you see the difference there….you’re just mad cause this makes the C’s better now…

      • RedsLoveChild

        The jury is out on Asik…..who really knows to what extent he improves the C`s? We do know it will cost Boston a first round pick.

        You know where I stand….the Celts need to keep their eye on the prize, and grab a Top 3 pick in the 2014 draft. If they fail to do so, I`m expecting Ainge to offer their 2 first round picks AND Rondo to obtain a Top 3-5 pick.

        • jason benn

          one pick down EIGHT left i wont cry over it. why do people have celtic positive names then say dumb things like 2 first rd picks and rondo to get a unproven hyped up rookie. when has the draft been kind to us yes ainge i think as well will trade into that top five spot but thats so he can pair that pick sorry player with rondo and either win next year or the year after plus dont forget the one thing everyone has stopped talking about the trade exception that will play factors into trades for moving up in the draft

    • bill_nair

      Im guessing your saying Asik would leave after his contract is up? I think it is doubtful but where i think your correct is the type of player he is. Is Asik any better than Kristic? I dont want to hear the defense. yes ive heard it time and time again. He can protect the rim. Does he gives us anything on the other end? Will he actually be here in 2 years? To me Asik is an average center. There will be a backup who plays phenomenal and gets hyped up in a year just like asik. I dont mind giving up bass and lee for him but Danny needs moves that make us worse or better. not horizontal moves.

      • RedsLoveChild

        When have the Celtics ever gotten “lucky” with big, lumbering Eastern Europeans? If Asik is so “great”, why did Tom Thibodeau allow him to leave Chicago? Why was Houston so desperately determined to replace him with Howard?

        I have no problems seeing Bass and Lee leave town.

        • jason benn

          pretty sure tibs is the coach so its not his fault, your point is totally moot nenad left because no one wanted what he had to offer but he could find a steady paycheck in the euro league and darko left due to bad family issues so that whole part is pointless and wrong. if you had a decent center but then a better upgrade became available and brought you closer to a ring you make the move. if ainge could upgrade on someone who they paid a dumb amount of money too , that wasnt bringing them closer to a championship he would make a move as well to get someone of the same position. besides after next year his 15 mil is expiring so i think we can swallow that, but your argument about euro centers is garbage and wrong. oh yeah and tibs even though it wasnt his decision it would be his general manager but lets says it was tibs fault tibs let him go because the rockets hit them with a poison pill contract to steal him away as a restricted free agent which the bulls coulda matched but they know better with the new cba looming at that time they were smart not to match it.

          • RedsLoveChild

            Quick….name all the Eastern European centers who`ve led their teams to NBA championships!

          • jason benn

            pau gasol but none have lead their team and i never said asik was gonna lead the team to a championship rondo has that covered he is a better role player then what we have right now. your arguement just sucks because its all wrong

          • RedsLoveChild

            Gasol is from Spain, Dirk from Germany…both Western Europe.

            Rondo? Do not get too attached to Rondo! It will lessen your pain when Ainge trades him well within the next 12 months.

          • jason benn

            thanks for the geography lesson i honestly dont care no one ever said asik is the guy leading the team to a championship thats just crazy talk from someone else.

            well within the next 12 months roflmao he needs to prove to the league first he is still mr triple double which he will and ainge wont trade him regardless he has now been out right saying he wont trade him wont be surprised if he gets a bigger contract then rose and a ntc with it so it silences silly people like you. tell me your equal value in a player like rondo that makes us better and closer to winning…..dont worry ill wait

    • KGino

      The difference is Krstic and Darko aren’t even close to the caliber player Asik is… He will not be out of the NBA anytime soon.

  • wil

    Bass and Lee were playing great. Asik is a role player like those two. But this helps us long term.

    The reason is Asik is an overrated center who is getting 15mil next year, how can this help us? its a 15 million expiring contract. That amount is bound to get us trade offers.

    Plus we release contracts of Lee and Bass sooner.

    I just hope it isnt a 2014 draft pick, but im sure danny aint dumb enough to do it lol

    • jason benn

      sounds like that exactly what morey wanted which sounds like ainge just laughed and hung up on him.

      some people cant see the big picture we trade two longer contracts for a fat poison pill expiring contract at the end of the 2015 season a 15 mil under the cap move is always nice and then we could affford to overpay an even better center then asik would be or just pay him what he wants who know. ainge is a chess player he is already 12 moves ahead of everyone this season means nothing maybe next season wont mean anything either who knows except ainge and im sure he has some crazy scheme worked out, hes just waiting to break the glass on the plan

  • Trevor

    We’re overstocked at Power forward and guard, lean at center, we are giving up 2 players who play no part of our future, why is this a bad trade?

  • jason benn

    question why does every single guy in the starting five have to be two way all around players?!?!? so what if asik is just known for defensive rim protection and rebounding?!?!?!?! we have assists covered by rondo, defense on the ball handler by avery, scoring by avery, green when he feels like it and he is a very good two way player he is known for his offense and defense, low post offense by sully rebounding by sully plenty of offense in just those four oh and then kelly with more assist and offense WHAT WE DONT HAVE is a center that is known for defense! we have fav sure dont forget how horrible rookie calls are and then he is a celtic rookie how many times has he been in foul trouble, so he cant be relied on yet, after that there is no other legit center on our roster. danny talks about one or two tweaks to make and then they expect to win. we have rondo bradley green sully they need one more piece in the starting five and they are set their, we have steez and kelly off the bench fav even pressey for the 5 mins rondo doesnt play. im not saying asik will suddenly make us contenders, you cant fake chemistry. HOWEVER when you factor in rondo wanting to make a comeback, asik wanting to play his ass off to show he shouldnt be on the bench, and a new very smart coach in stevens who in the ncaa took his nobody team to the finals twice, look out for this team in the playoffs. who cares about the picks we all know the nba wont give us a top pick meaning one or two anytime soon. boston is the hated team in the nba because we are the only ones with a history of winning so the nba has to do everything they can to ensure everyone has a fair shot. this is a great deal we rid ourselves of bass and lees contracts so what we take asiks on im pumped i hope we get him, i wont be shocked at all if boston puts together a magical run in the playoffs meaning they will fight till the end and who knows they outcome but they will fight for sure in these playoffs this year sit back and enjoy people things are gonna get very interesting if we get asik. btw i envision danny ainge sitting in a dark sillouhette smoking a cigar in the dark barely lit waiting by his red phone and when he rings he does the whole monty burns laugh and finger thing before he picks up mwhahahahaha.

  • forever_green

    Do It.

  • Nelis_87

    I love this trade, there’s an upside for all involved parties!

    I will miss Bass though, I think he is great. Awesome team player, works really hard, terrific in defending some of the best (offensive) players in the league (Melo, Bron). Houston will probaly want to use him in that role. And he is also showing improvement in his offensive skill set. I think he is very underappreciated.

    But we will gain a legit center (and defensive anchor?) while losing one of our many PF’s and the “meh” contract of Lee. Let’s do this.