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Your Morning Dump… Where the Celtics need to avoid the land of the late lottery picks


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“Next year’s draft we don’t see as loaded. We see it as top-heavy,” he said. “(But) there will be more impact players next year.”

In other words, Ainge believes they have to pick among the top 10 to make the trip worth their while. And they haven’t had a selection that high since the 10th pick of the 2001 draft — Joe Johnson. Pierce came to them on that same number in 1998.

But the Celtics may be just talented enough with Rondo, Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger and the best of the Nets additions to fall into the most dreaded territory of all — NBA middle earth, the land of the late lottery picks.

Boston Herald

The Celtics roster – as currently constituted – is good enough to make the playoffs next season. They might even equal the win total (41) of last year’s squad.

Seems impossible, considering Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce will be wearing black and hanging in Brooklyn next season, but last year’s team woefully underachieved.

I’m expecting Rondo, Bradley, Green and Sullinger to be better. Depending on who sticks around, there are decent bench players (Kris Humphries, Gerald Wallace and Courtney Lee) on this roster.

But if the Celtics want a real shot at the likes of Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins, they’re going to have to shave 15-20 wins off last year’s total.

And as ML Carr will tell you, that’s not easy:

The hardest part, said Carr, was straddling the fine line between encouraging his team to play the game the right way but make sure they didn’t win too much.

“I remember one game in particular, when David Wesley was hitting jump shots and 3-pointers all over the floor,” Carr said. “I had to get him out of the game.

“He came over to me and said, ‘Coach, what are you doing? I just hit four shots in a row.’ I said, ‘I know, David, but I’m experimenting.’

“I’ll tell you, it was brutal. Those players were smart. They knew what we were doing.

I want no part of tanking.


We’ve been down this road and it doesn’t work (see Mercer, Ron and Billups, Chauncey).

If Danny Ainge is determined to get a Top 5 pick, he needs to trade Rondo and Green immediately. That will guarantee a 15 win season.

I’d rather the Celtics rebuild around their current core.

Rondo is not a franchise player, but he’s a damn good #2. Give Green a chance to show his stuff without training wheels. He can be a viable #3.

The pressure would then fall on Ainge to find that top dog and acquire him in a package of expiring contracts, draft picks and promising young players (Bradley or Sullinger).

Which way would you go?

The rest of the links:

Herald – Paul Pierce: Real C’s original | Olynyk earns high marks from a few | ESPN Boston – Trade Rondo, too? | CSNNE – A look back at KG’s time in Boston | Olynyk ready to do what it takes | Globe – Brown interested in Celtics coaching job | WEEI – Truth & Ticket: A Legacy

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  • CoachAJ

    Here’s the breakdown:

    2014: 2 firsts (Boston, Brooklyn), 0 second; 2015: 2 firsts (Boston, L.A. Clippers), 2 seconds (Boston, Sacramento); 2016: 2 firsts (Boston, Brooklyn), 1 second (Boston); 2017: 1 first (Boston), 2 seconds (Boston, Sacramento); 2018: 2 first (Boston, Brooklyn), 1 second (Boston)

    Forget those Sacramento picks, because the Celtics won’t see them unless the Kings are a top 5 team in the league (yeah, that’s not happening). But having two first-round picks in each of the next three seasons gives Boston a very good opportunity to accelerate this rebuild. By Chris Forsberg

    • The Brooklyn picks in 2016 and especially 2018 might be lottery picks.

  • Brian Pahlm

    I’d see how badley Atlanta wants 2 blow things up. Humphreys expiring contract for al horford would speed up the rebuilding process. Then you use the flex plan on gerald wallace to save another 6 million. You still have bass and lee making to mich but we can move those guys by packaging them with picks. You have Rondo take his time coming back ala David Robinson and see what happens. Trading green and rondo isnt worth it.

    • Casey Plunkett

      Rondo and sullinger def need to take their time while rehabbing. Let Green and Brooks score as much as they like while working on their confidence but still tank as a team. Regretfully it still may not even work as their argue so many horrible teams in u the east and ATL will likely be looking to Tank also

    • Frank Aziza

      I’m with you man, get Horford or smith from Atlanta. We ain’t drafting anyone that is guaranteed to be a Josh Smith. Or get big Al back. If u got both Josh Smith and Al Jefferson next to Rondo and Green you might be on player away. Two seasons from now that could be a great team.

    • forever_green

      The thought of Humpty Dumpty in green makes me sick..get rid of him.

  • tvor03

    With the Boston Herald article, are they not counting 2007 as being among the top 10?

  • Jester00

    go get Kevin Love

  • MatthewWilding

    Going after a star is well and good, but I’m noticing nobody is suggesting who this star is. Who in the league is good enough and available?

    • pierce Hart

      Nobody that’s not a health risk. Danny has more moves to move us up the lottery. Ps it’s funny how its hard to be the worst team. Imagine that sort of competition.

      • MatthewWilding

        Agreed. We won’t be the worst no matter what we do. We have to hope for an average-defying ping ping ball because we will be at least a top 20 team.

  • pierce Hart

    Danny knows what’s he’s doing he knows he’s got more moves to make. A DRose style season from rondo would take our win total right down I think we will be in the top 10 picks. As for wiggins Charlotte will get him. The lottery is still funny business and I reckon Jordan has been told he’ll win it in 2014 and that is why MKG is on the trade block.

  • bison dele

    I disagree that this is a 8th seed team, i think that’s a awful basketball squad right there. if rondo comes back in december and the team has a 6 – 19 record they will just him rest of the way. sully can always sit 30 games with his back regardless of us tanking or not and green may put big numbers but it wont result in many wins. we are just ‘rondo taking a year off’ from being a 20 wins team.

  • Chuck Moran

    The only chance they have to be in the lottery is if rondo sits all year but doubt he’d agree to that. I think this team will e better than people give them credit for if ondo plays he nd green will both be all stars.

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  • Casey Plunkett

    I’d rather deal with one yr all out tanking than have endure a decade of mediocrity!!!!!!!!!!

  • Andrew Bolarinho

    Rondo should pull a drose and sit out all year and then bang guess who’s lucky to have 30 wins

  • Duncan1

    I agree with the author . Tanking does not work and is not becoming of the Celtics. Use what we have to acquire the top dog to go with Rondo and to some extent Green.

  • forever_green

    This is why it wasn’t WORTH trading your soul for three picks(not including our own) & a bad contract (Wallace)…You still could have rebuilt with them here and have them retire Celtics…now Danny has to turn three picks into the next KG or PP…good luck with that..he’ll have trouble replacing just one of them…FU Wyc & Danny..sorry I’m very bitter.

    • ShawnCVD

      I believe that Draft 14 being so strong combined with the fact that DA got tipped off that Rondo is not a lock to be 100% next year it was time to blow it up. Remember Rondo not being able to go means another 1st round exit.

      All things equal I’d prefer to have PPKG back. I just think Ainge is trying to deliver another championship sooner than later which means acquiring picks and expiring contracts.

      • forever_green

        Yeah, I understand it. I just don’t agree with what DA’s doing..and if he trades Rondo it will take even longer to rebuild..the only thing I give DA credit for in his mess is getting that pick for Doc.

        • ShawnCVD

          I don’t think Rondo gets moved . Being injured his stock is at all time low…

  • Suarez

    There’s a simple solution. Have Rondo take his sweet time coming back from surgery. Keep him out until Christmas. Then have him play every other game with limited minutes for a while. Then let him go full out the last seven or eight games of the season.

    I think you’re over estimating the ability of this team with Rondo. As currently constituted, they’d probably about 35 games, maybe less. Without Rondo for most of the season? 20-25.

    Enter the lottery, hopefully get lucky and score Wiggins/Randle/Parker/Smart. If the pick is out of range for these guys, try to package it with Green and one or two other picks for an All-Star.

    Green’s stats will be nicely inflated next year by carrying the scoring load.

    • ShawnCVD

      That’s one of many opportunities DA is creating. This would look so different if Rondo had never gotten injured.

  • Jake Gruber

    You know what I just realized? I find it funny that some of the same people who are going nuts about tanking and how they wouldn’t want to do that just to become better faster….are the same people who said that the celtics NEEDED to trade pierce and Garnett to speed up the rebuilding process because they didn’t want to spend years in mediocrity. I sense some hypocrisy here.

  • Suarez

    I’m tired of people saying that tanking doesn’t work. It’s risky, but it can work.
    Franchises have been turned around on the draft. It doesn’t happen every year, but it can happen.

    And this coming draft will have a least a few guys with franchise potential (Wiggins, Randle, Smart) and several others that could potentially be All-Stars.

    The number of future draft picks that have been stockpiled by Ainge serves as a decent safety net should the lottery balls not fall our way. Some of those picks could be packaged with our 2014 pick — should it fall out of the top 5 or 6 — and other players to bring back a good haul.

    Remember: The last time we tanked IT DID work out. We didn’t land Oden (thank god) or Durant, but the fifth pick and other, minor pieces netted us Ray Allen.

    I don’t love everything Danny does, but he orchestrated a good tanking that year with a good contingency plan, and he’s doing something similar now.

    It’s going to be very difficult to see Garnett and especially Pierce not playing for the Celtics, but it’s the right time for it happen.