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Your Morning Dump… Where the Clippers are trying to rob the Celtics


Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

After pushing for the Clippers to take back long-term contracts, the Celtics relented and have shown willingness to complete the deal for DeAndre Jordan and two first-round draft picks, sources said. The Clippers are willing to give the Celtics Jordan and one draft pick, but were resisting a second future pick, sources said.

The two teams are planning to talk again on Tuesday morning, and the fragile negotiations could climax over the draft pick compensation, sources said.

If the Clippers become the championship contenders that they expected this trade will make them, the additional draft pick would likely be near the end of the first round.

Boston had to move Courtney Lee (three years, $16.2 million left on his deal) or Jason Terry (two years, $10.6 million), for the expiring contracts of Caron Butler ($8 million) or Willie Green ($1.4 million), but the Clippers refused to take on the additional salary in any combination and the Celtics eventually moved back to the Jordan and two draft pick offer on Monday.

Yahoo! Sports 

This has to be a joke, right?  If Adrian Wojnarowski wasn’t the source of this story I would immediately discredit its validity.

There’s no way Danny Ainge can take this deal. No way. He’ll become a laughingstock among GMs.

Getting Eric Bledsoe in this deal was a reach to begin with. But not forcing the Clippers to take at least one multi-year contract is absurd. Even if they did take on Lee or Terry, I’d insist on 2 first round picks.

Refuse the offer. You think Clippers GM/PG Chris Paul will be happy if this deal blows up over a draft pick and the contracts of Courtney Lee/ Jason Terry? Last I checked, CP3 has yet to sign an extension with LA.

What’s the worst case scenario if this deal blows up? You force Doc Rivers to make a decision. I guarantee he retires. He’d be too embarrassed to return to Boston and explain his position.

With Doc gone, it’s possible Kevin Garnett could retire. His money would come off the books and provide some cap relief. Or with Doc out of the equation, maybe KG would expand his options for being traded. And then Danny Ainge can move Paul Pierce.

The rest of the links:

ESPN LA – Substantive talks, but no deal | Herald – Discussion rare as KG, Rivers await fates | Globe – Talks hit roadblock again |

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  • pierce Hart

    Haha nice photo edit it! The minimum we should get for KG and Doc is moving JET, 1 first rounder in next years draft, Jordan and Bledsoe. If Ainge fails to get that he’ll lose all of his reputation in the negotiation market and should be sacked. So lets use the money saved on getting rid of Doc on Larry Bird and Kevin McHale 😀

  • eddysamson

    I dont understand why the Clippers think they have the power in this deal? They don’t have CP3 signed and they don’t have a coach. We have a coach on a 3 year deal. The dude is already signed for 3 freaking years why do they think he would be easy to pull away from the team he won a championship with?

  • Olivia

    I’m annoyed overall because I still don’t think we should let go of Paul Pierce. He’s still putting up numbers. Over 18 PPG, 4 APG and 6 RPG. Plus, he dedicated already 15 years here in Boston, and keeping him is the least we could do. I’d be ashamed of Danny if he trades Paul, which is becoming more and more likely each day.

  • Alex Sillerman

    I am angry about so many things, but mainly: Doc wanting to jump ship (am I the only one who feels silly for completely buying in to all the loyalty and I am a Celtic talk?) and inadequate compensation for what is essentially the heart and soul of this franchise, even when the deal included Bledsoe- but if it goes through and the Celtics cave and give up just to get the deal done, I will be even more angry and very disappointed. The Clippers are asking for a lot from the Celtics. So they should give up a lot to get it. If they don’t want to do that, then screw this deal. It’s simple as that. This is getting ridiculous. Also, I’ve spent a lot of this time ticked off at Danny Ainge, but now that it’s becoming clear that Doc doesn’t want to return, I’ve returned to my regular season level of ticked offed-ness at Danny.

    • Alex Sillerman

      *Just to clarify: my ticked offed-ness towards Danny Ainge has slightly receded because Doc appears to be running for the exit, BUT if Danny does this deal as it is described above, my levels of ticked offed-ness will SOAR. Because that would be bullsh*t. Excuse my french.

  • Chuck Moran

    They have to do it now either you do it and get something for doc or he ends up broadcasting and you get nothing out of it.

  • dk

    I’d still rather get nothing for Doc. Atleast it saves face for the organization for not being a joke. Although count me in as one of the people who supported idea of running it back. If you’re “not going to compete” this year as its been firmly instilled then might as well get asses in the seats to watch PP and kg. then if they retire at the end of this year aren’t we in the same position that wed have cap relief?

    • Raoul

      I like your point. If we are not going to truly compete this year (Deandre is not that move), then I would much rather have the entire cast as it stands right now play the 2013-2014 season. That’s with or without Doc. I have zero issues with that. Our starting contracts are relatively low compared to the Lakers, so we should in no way make any desperate and low-impacting moves before they do.

      What I think is being down-played is the Celtics organization’s ability to develop players (not so much Doc’s ability). Our roster is currently full of uber talented and hungry players that have not been given the chance to shine on the NBA stage or for a big franchise. We may need a coach that will play the bench. Those 6-7 man rotations in the playoffs were frikkin’ atrocious.

  • If this deal happens Danny needs to leave. When I heard this on the radio this morning I couldn’t believe my ears. What kind of deal is this? Why would we take on Deandre Jordan’s contract? This is the dumbest trade ever if it takes place.

  • Raoul

    I’m still not buying any of it; that’s both Clippers/Boston making any such moves or Doc being too embarrassed/Team being too upset for him to be our coach next season.

    The official end of the era is going to be a graceful retirement exit or blockbuster trade for major talent. If Ainge lets KG and Doc go (and Pierce by default) for fruitless talent, he not only doesn’t know what he has but he will be considered an outright joke. That Perkins trade will instantly pick up steam again, as being part of a timeline of bad decisions made (when most have already accepted the KP trade).

  • Frank Aziza

    Basically it’s a joke.

  • kobe

    Deandre Jordan is the laughingstock of the West, may be he’ll do better in the soft East. Trading KG for Deandre is like trading a sports car for a Kia

    • eddysamson

      It’s like trading a high mileage, not garaged, old, sports car, for a 2010+ kia forte, you mean.

      • Raoul

        Please.. Kia’s are bang for your buck cars these days as long as you’re not too embarrassed to say you drive a Kia. Deandre is more of a Saturn. Knicks and Mavs can get steals like JR and Mayo, but we’re over here talking about Deandre. Trash.

        • eddysamson

          I’m just going off what the other guy said. You can’t act like KG isn’t old, or hasn’t played a shitton of minutes in his career. And you can’t act like Deandre isn’t very young and very athletic with potential. His short falls could be entirely from being with the wrong organization. The Clippers are a team that baby prima-dona stars like CP3, and BG, might not be the best environment for development. If DJ can’t elevate his game with an organization like the Celtics, THEN I will believe he’s trash.

          • Raoul

            You’re right. I couldn’t agree more. The talk about KG as a physical presence is not so relevant, although he made all the big shots for us during the playoffs. I think his value is as a trade asset, and that value is simply not being used if we’re talking about Doc and KG for Deandre. I remember thinking about the day Pierce, PG, and Allen leave and the plethora of talent we could get. The Josh Smith, Kevin Love talks. I know those deals aren’t simple, but Deandre is pure desperation.

            As for Deandre’s development, I’m tired of developing guys. If we’re going to develop a center, let’s just spend the $4mil on Greg Oden .

          • eddysamson

            I thought everyone was saying Oden would be worth twice that (or more), and I’d say he’s as much of a gamble as DJ.

          • Raoul

            He is absolutely more of a gamble, but he will take a lot less in terms of salary and commitment. Also, I think the positive outcome out of the two situations would be more favorable with Oden.

  • Double P

    This is such green team crap. You do realize the precedent for coach movement has been set. It’s usually a first round pick. It’s a coach people, in the NBA players make coaches.

    As far as DJ for garnett that’s fair as well, KG is 37 and will play maybe one season traded for a athletic 25 yr old center.

    How can people be ok with letting them go for nothing? That is moronic and BAD business

    • Chris Laterza

      Was Perk worth 13 million? This guy averaged 6 points a game last year and doesn’t have Perk’s toughness or defense

  • KGino

    This is getting ridiculous. I could give a F less about Doc right now… enjoy your new broadcasting position… just another snake in sheep’s clothing I guess (maybe that’s why he and ray got along so well). Don’t feed us garbage about loyalty and ubuntu ever again.

    Everything and everyone in the sport’s world is so quick to react right now. Oh, what’s that? Your best player and starting PF were injured and you lost in the first round?? BLOW IT UP!! Retarded. Anyone forget that we would have been in the finals last year if not for the most rigged game 2 i’ve ever seen in 20+ years of watching the sport?? Woulda beat the Heat in FIVE games. Yeah, the “WORLD CHAMPION” Miami Heat that hardly EVER lose 2 games in a row (woulda been 4 losses in a row against us).

    Instead, with a much better supporting cast (i’ll take sully and jeff green over peaches and stiemsma any day of the week), we decide to blow it up because our players were injured?? BAFFLING!!

    Give the Spurs TONS of credit. Same core every year, injuries or not. And if you have a top 5 team in the league, you keep it in tact… Who knows when important players like Rose & Westbrook will go down and open that window just enough for you to have another chance at glory.

    And the worst part is we can’t go back now. Doc can’t come back after this, who knows what that means for KG, and then Pierce. All because people are way too quick to rush to judgement when in reality, we would have made the ECF this year if healthy.

    • KGino

      I mean I understand trying to work a trade because our window is still only 1-2years and we need some luck to get there… but for Deandre Jordan and 2 late draft picks? For the HEART of our franchise and it’s main leader? I hope Danny is smarter than that…

    • Raoul

      I agree with the “blow it up” being completely ridiculous. I just don’t understand nor agree with the “All because people are way too quick to rush to judgement” being in the same rant where Doc has been disowned.

      This is a business. In terms of Red’s Army… you will post articles about irrelevant rumors and what have you but at the end of the day it’s a machine that needs to be oiled daily whether there is Breaking News available or absolutely nothing. It’s a part of media. Doc is an employee of 1 of 30 companies. If more than that 1 peeks his interest, he’s disloyal? He doesn’t own the team. He has no obligation. He is Ubuntu to the team he contacted with in 2008. That team has not existed in a very long time and there is no Ubuntu tribe on our roster right now.

      You can trade players all day, but changing coaches is changing the system. I’ll take Doc back over a new system.

      • KGino

        I understand what you mean. I was just thinking this situation would have never happened if they just stayed the course and kept KG and Paul, you know? Doc wants to go because he knows he won’t have those 2, who are his best leaders on and off the court. So to me it’s kind of a chain reaction where if we don’t rush to “blow it up” doc would have stayed for sure.

        Ps the celtics could never “blow it up” .. They still have Rondo JG Avery and sully… That’s too much talent to be referred to as “blown up”

        • Raoul

          Agreed. Doc should have been assured a route of “We will change only what we need to”

          KG and Pierce have always been vocal about accepting lesser roles if it meant retiring from this franchise. Ray’s departure (I truly hate to say) may have been caused by something we are seeing right now.

  • forever_green

    Red is still rolling over in his grave…

  • RedsLoveChild

    Chuck makes several good points…but, like most Celtic fans, you`re probably overvaluing the true worth of KG in 2013-14.

    KG is 37 years old…he developed hip, ankle, foot issues late in the season. Ainge knows that despite KG defying all odds by staying as healthy as he did last year, he was nothing but a mere shell of what he once was, barely recognizable from the KG who arrived here in 2007 {let alone the KG from Minnesota days}.

    KG is a career ending injury, waiting to happen at any moment {like Shaq in 2011}.

    Ainge knows more than anyone how scant the market is for KG {and PP}. DA has to move very quickly if he plans to get anything in return for KG and, for good reason, he senses that he won`t get better value than what LAC is offering.

  • Suarez

    This coming season is a prime year to tank into the lottery. There are two players in the 2014 draft class, Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins, who should be franchise players. There could be another 3 or 4 guys in the lottery with all-star potential.

    But even without Pierce and Garnett, the Cs roster may be too good to fall deep into the lottery, especially if Pierce is traded for a real asset like Al Jefferson of Josh Smith.

  • Chris Laterza

    Ainge is a crap GM anyways- now we gave to pay to get rid of contracts he signed last year. Bass, Lee and Terry make 15 million a year but w didn’t have the money to keep Steamer and now we have to sell our souls to get a garbage big man. Hopefully Ainge has another heart attack before this abortion of a deal goes through.

  • Manu

    If Doc is going to leave I hope somebody from the C’s convince Larry Legend to become coach! Hell he can even be GM/Coach!

  • liplip

    The only reason to do this deal is if Danny has a 2nd shoe he’ll drop after this (a la the beginning of the Big 3 era). He might be able to use the picks he gets and another piece or 2 and go for someone like Milsap or Josh Smith with a sign and trade to put next to Jordan. That would be a nice frontcourt to run with Rondo and possibly get Green to SG to make for a big and athletic team………here’s hoping anyway, because if not it makes very little sense

  • wil

    trading Deandre Jordan straight up for KG is a big no no! And then after that they want doc for one first rounder? lmao Clippers organization is stupid as advertised.

    Now they gonna lose CP3 too haha

  • Raoul

    You know… is it at all possible that every quote from Ray Allen talking about his loyalty to Boston and accepting a supporting role, was actually 100% true and the integrity/professionalism we grew to love about him was real? But he saw the lack of loyalty from the Head Coach position on up to the owners? We may owe Ray a huge apology.

    Or not. Lol. Who knows.

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  • Jonathan Eisen

    If Pat Riley wasn’t worth 2 first round picks, why is Doc Rivers?