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Your Morning Dump… Where ownership thinks having Ainge is a competitive advantage

John - Red's Army (@RedsArmy_John) June 5, 2013 Celtics News, The Morning Dump 17 Comments

Every morning, we compile the links of the day and dump them here… highlighting the big storyline. Because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good morning dump.

Q: Are you at all worried this team is going to fall deep into a rebuilding phase?

GROUSBECK: Wow, that sounds appealing (laughs).

PAGLIUCA: We’ve rebuilt before, and we have a lot of good players on this roster. It’s too early to make that call. Danny is looking at all of the options, and I’m confident he’s going to pull it off again.

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Q: Now that you have your eyes on the draft, what’s your impression of the field?

PAGLIUCA: People at the beginning were saying this isn’t a strong draft because there’s no LeBron (James) in it, which is true. But the interesting thing is that our staff is great in a draft where the players are kind of even. Mock drafts are all over the place. That’s the kind of draft that Danny thrives in. There’s a lot of really good players.

Q: Is that what’s being said — not a lot of stars or franchise-type players, but a lot of quality supporting-type players?

GROUSBECK: That’s it, and when you look at how we won in 2008, it was through Danny’s drafting and Doc’s coaching of those players, and us being patient. Danny didn’t draft superstars at the time. He was drafting in spot 15, spot 21, spot 27, spot 32, and he eventually built the team that way because he was eventually able to trade guys who became quality players. I’m glad he’s our GM in this situation, with middle-ranked players. It’s a huge competitive advantage for us.

Herald: Celtics have all the answers

I’ve seen Danny Ainge get a little bit of shit for his drafting.  The one pick that keeps coming up is Giddens in 2008 when DeAndre Jordan was on the board, along with Nikola Peckovic, Mario Chalmers, and Omer Asik.  That conveniently overlooks the fact that all those guys were second round picks, and that everyone else passed on those guys too.  It also involves a LOT of overrating of Jordan.

While it’s true that some draft picks haven’t panned out (Giddens, Gerald Green, JaJuan Johnson), a bunch of his picks (and draft day trades) turned out alright (Rajon Rondo, Al Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Jared Sullinger).

There are good, not great players in this draft.  But good, not great players also help you win titles.  As much as you need great ones to do the big-time stuff, you need the good ones to fill in the gaps.  And the Celtics have a lot of gaps that they’ll need to fill over the next few years.

So whether Ainge builds his next contending team through the draft, or if he uses the draft to acquire the assets he needs to build it through a trade, there’s no doubt the owners are putting a lot of emphasis on this year’s draft.  And they’re putting a lot of their confidence in Danny Ainge and his front-office team to make the right moves.

The one thing they brought up in that interview was the core of the Celtics moving forward.  While it’s true that even if Paul Pierce returns, the Celtics team is changing, it’s not necessarily going to be a full-scale rebuild.

GROUSBECK: I think there’s a core in this team with a number of players under 30 who can play good basketball. So, I wouldn’t say we’re going into an entirely new era. Maybe there will be some changes in the roster, but those will have to wait until the end of June or early July.

PAGLIUCA: (Rajon) Rondo, (Jared) Sullinger, Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, that’s who we’re talking about.

It will be interesting to see how the team is constructed around those guys.  It’s important to note, though, that being mentioned as the new “core” by the owners doesn’t cement your spot on this roster for the rest of your career.  As much as I like all four of those guys, no one is safe on the Celtics right now.  Draft day could come along and sweep one or more of those guys out of Boston.  It might not.  As someone once said… anything is possible.

The rest of the links

Herald: Surgery for Jason Terry  |  Northeastern’s Lee gets second look from Celtics  |  Globe:  Northeastern’s Jonathan Lee on C’s radar  |  ESPN Boston:  Win justifies Allen’s decision?  |  Add Plumlee to first-round watch list  |  Ford’s mock 4.0: Muhammad is the pick  |  Celtics.com:  Celtics hit several milestones this season

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  • Jake Gruber

    I would love for them to pick up some shooting.

  • RED`S LOVE CHILD

    Ainge`s drafting skills are no better or worse than any other GM. Each year, the vast majority of GM`s draft in accordance with what was basically predicted in advance by the many mock drafts leading up to draft night.

    Nobody ever uncovers a previously unknown Kevin Durrant-type talent with the 29th pick, and nobody ever drafts a Marquis Daniels-type talent at #1.

    • zippittyay

      Kwame Brown

      • RED`S LOVE CHILD

        What about him?

        He was drafted pretty much where the mock drafts predicted he would be drafted….#1

        • zippittyay

          “nobody ever drafts a Marquis Daniels-type talent at #1.”

        • zippittyay

          “Nobody ever uncovers a previously unknown Kevin Durrant-type talent with the 29th pick,” Oh, and Four Time NBA Scoring Champion, Nine Time All-Star George Gervin was drafted 40th. Also just happens to be the guy Durant was most compared to early on!

          • RED`S LOVE CHILD

            Gervin was drafted over 40 years ago…and played his first 4 pro seasons in the old ABA before they merged with the NBA.

            Lots of great talent was ignored by NBA teams, because they knew certain guys would jump at the bigger money being thrown around in the ABA. They weren`t going to waste a high pick on a guy they knew was going to sign with the ABA.

            The Celts did that with Charlie Scott…a great college star that Boston drafted late, knowing he intended to play in the ABA. Later, they traded their NBA rights to Scott to acquire Paul Silas.

            With Kwame Brown…you`re confusing a bad choice with a predictable choice. Nobody was surprised when he went #1. Not everyone agreed with the choice, but no one was surprised by it.

          • zippittyay

            You made 3 separate ridiculous claims and had all three thoroughly refuted. Time to give it up.

          • RED`S LOVE CHILD

            You`re clueless….and it shows.

          • zippittyay

            Lets see now… your defense to “nobody ever” is “over 40 years ago” and “gee, everyone knew the Wizards would take him”. Really, give it up. Please refrain from making any more ridiculous blanket statements that are so easily refuted.

          • RED`S LOVE CHILD

            Let`s see now…you might want to stay away from arguments when you are so ridiculously “unarmed”. What are you, 14 years old?!?

            Did you ever hear of the ABA before I mentioned it? I doubt it.

            Along with Gervin….you might want to ask other greats like Dr. J {12th NBA pick}, Artis Gilmore {117th NBA pick}, Charlie Scott {106th NBA pick}, Dan Issel 122th NBA pick}, Moses Malone {not even picked}…why they were drafted so low by NBA teams after great amateur careers. They`ll tell you the ABA paid way better money!

            As for Brown…right, like the entire NBA was in “stunned disbelief” when Washington picked him 1st! Even the mock draft you went out of your way to post had him in the top 5.

          • zippittyay

            Now you are going to argue that Kwame Brown is NOT “Marquis Daniels-type talent”??
            Really, give it up.

          • RED`S LOVE CHILD

            Ok, so now we`re dealing strictly with the Kwame Brown issue.

            I`m not defending that pick…I never have. Obviously, it turned out disastrously. They overestimated his maturity and other factors that go into being a solid NBA player.

            All I ever said was…nobody {at the time} was surprised he was selected #1. Nobody.

            It was viewed as a weak draft. Brown had size going for him. He would have Jordan mentoring him. Again, his high selection was not a surprise to anyone who was paying attention in 2001.

            Now, really…YOU give it up!

          • zippittyay

            See below quote

            “nobody ever drafts a Marquis Daniels-type talent at #1.”

            You apparently have forgotten that’s YOUR quote.

            Now lets move on to refuting your last original claim.

            “Ainge`s drafting skills are no better or worse than any other GM.” (We won’t even bother with your silly insinuation that people who are in charge of NBA teams worth hundreds of millions of dollars just blindly draft the way bloggers with mock drafts tell them to)

            From 2003 to 2010, Ainge selected 10 1st Round picks with the average pick 18th. According to this wonderful analysis
            http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm , The odds of an 18th pick being either a “Star” or a “Solid” NBA player is 20%. Ainge picked one star and four solid NBA players. In case you are as deficient in math as you are in logic, that’s 150% greater than the expected outcome.

            In the 2nd round during that same time period, Ainge made 8 picks with the average being #50. The odds of someone getting picked in that range becoming either just a “solid” or a “role” player are only about 10-15%. Ainge hit on 2 out of the 10, once again significantly outperforming the competition.

            Please continue to prove your idiocy to the rest of the readership. If you need any help, I will be here.

        • zippittyay

          “He (Kwame) was drafted pretty much where the mock drafts predicted he would be drafted….#1″

          Letting go of the fact that Michael Jordan practically publicly announced he was picking Brown, the vast majority of mock drafts did not have Kwame as their first pick

          (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/2001/draft/news/2001/06/11/mock_draft/ )

          So MJ passed on Eddie Curry, Shane Battier, Tyson Chandler, Gilbert Arenas, Zach Randolf, Pau Gasol, Jason Richardson and Joe Johnson.

  • Lee in Oregon

    The greatest athlete to ever come out of the great state of Oregon!

    That pic reminds me of how unpopular Danny was in the beginning of his career (even in Boston).

    • RED`S LOVE CHILD

      Not Tonya Harding?

      Ainge was truly an awesome athlete…but, Oregonians still treat Steve Prefontaine as their all-time sports God.