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Rumor: Paul Pierce, Avery Bradley for Eric Gordon

Chuck - Red's Army May 21, 2013 Avery Bradley, Celtics News, Paul Pierce, Rumors 53 Comments

Here’s a whopper of a trade rumor, courtesy of New Orleans Pelicans blogger Michael McNamara:

Just heard strange rumor from EC source: Celtics talking about possibility of Pierce and Bradley for Eric Gordon.

Pierce’s contract is only partially guaranteed. Best case scenario: Pelicans can move Pierce for something. Worst case: Buy him out for Five million and have even more cap space this summer plus the young perimeter defender they crave in Bradley. Interesting

Apparently Celtics discussing a handful of scenarios regarding Pierce. Would rather get something as opposed to buying him out

To be clear, if somehow this deal did go down, Pierce would never play for the Pelicans. Would be moved or bought out

About 90% of Celtics fans are disgusted with this idea even being discussed. Cant say I blame them. Pelicans fans about 80% in favor.

My initial reaction to this rumor is… NO.

Eric Gordon may be a young (24), high-scoring (17 ppg) guard, but his injury history is frightening.

Check out this injury outline via Bourbon Street Shots:

2009-10 Season (62 out of 82 games)

2010-11 Season (56 out of 82 games)

2011-12 Season (9 out of 66 games)

2012-13 Season (18 out of 53 games)

And let’s not forget Gordon’s in-game shouting match with head coach Monty Williams, who happens to be a close friend of Doc Rivers.

Gordon isn’t cheap. He has 3 years and $45 million remaining on his contract.

This is a tough call because Gordon would be fuel-injection for the Celtics offense. Not only can he shoot with range, but he has the ability to get to the rim and draw fouls.

I’m prepared for the Celtics to waive Pierce and get nothing in return. It’s Bradley’s inclusion in this deal that has me torn.

And would Kevin Garnett return if this deal were made?

So many things to consider…

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  • Danno

    This is a dumb idea. There is no such thing as an equal value trade for Paul Pierce at this point, so there’s no point in trading him. And if you trade away Pierce and KG, Boston is no longer a destination up and coming players will want to be.

    • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.mckenney1 Chuck McKenney

      If ownership/management is ready to move on from Pierce, wouldn’t you rather trade him than waive him – provided you get a good player in return?

      • I bleed green in L.A.

        yes, they should. And Doc, Rondo and Celtics lore can be enough to bring in more talent.

        • Danno

          LOL. You really think Rondo’s reputation and temperment is going to attract more talent? Doc – yes. Rondo? nope.

          • I bleed green in L.A.

            I kind of laughed when I wrote that. But he is a pass first, top 5 PG in the league. The answer to trading Pierce is still yes though. I’d trade both Pierce and KG, but KG has more value to the Celtics, a post player to pair with Sully. Green can take over for Paul.

          • Danno

            If Paul gets traded or waived, KG retires the next day. Then you have rebuilding for the next 4-5 years. Knowing this – why not let them finish it on their terms, rather than trading pierce for lesser talent.

            You don’t trade a dime for two nickels. In this case, you’d be trading a quarter, and a dime for a dime. Stupid, stupid trade.

          • I bleed green in L.A.

            OK, so you’re hoping for another 1st round exit. That’s fine, I am in rebuild mode and want avoid the 90′s all over again. Move them for “lesser talent” (Smith and Pierce are close IMO), rather than get nada.

          • Danno

            We had a 1st round exit this year because of Rondo, Sullinger, & Barbosa going down for the year, not because of Paul Pierce. I’m assuming Rondo & Sully stay healthy and we get something reasonable to replace Crawford and teh Celts can make another decent run, rather than watching Gordon sit on the bench injured while the same team as last year – MINUS Pierce and KG struggles to even make the playoffs.

          • LA Flake

            I can’t believe I find myself kind of agreeing with you, bleeder. If we’re going to move Pierce whom I love very deeply, it might as well be in a trade for a young talent. And even though Gordon’s been injury prone, he is a blue chip talent who can flat out score and really is a legit big time player. I have bad feelings about moving our captain to New Orleans of all places, however. And I have reservations about moving Bradley who I think will be dynamite in a year or two. But if this rumor is true, I applaud Ainge for looking to get real talent in return for Paul.

          • Chulinho

            Depends on the player. Guys that like to shoot would love to play with Rondo.

          • lick

            your an idiot if you think NBA players are going to say “I am not playing with rondo”. stop reading everything the boston media writes. that’s the same media that says Ortiz is on steroids and richard seymour was a terrible draft pick. rondo is the best player on the team and keeping him gives you the best chance to get big ticket free agents. stop listening to the idiotic boston media.

          • Danno

            Stop calling people you don’t know an idiot.

      • Danno

        I’d rather not trade OR waive him. Play him. Keep him. Let him finish here. They’re not going to get a top talent who will make them a contender by trading him this year, any more than they will in free agency or trades next year.

    • LarryBirdsJ

      I agree, I don’t think too many players want to be on a Rajon Rondo led team. With no established veteran presence (if KG and PP go) Rondo will be a leadership disaster.

  • eddysamson

    Wow of all the trades we could do, this is the first real rumor that surfaces? GOD AWFUL! No thanks, wouldnt touch that deal with a 100 foot pole

  • Stephanie McGovern

    That would be terrible the guy can’t even stay on the court. Celtics should have more respect for Paul pierce you never hear Dallas San Antonio or the lakers trying to ship there legends to a rebuilding franchise. My guess pierce wouldn’t even show up to New Orleans and I don’t blame him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ZachFlavored Zach Harris

    Replace Bradley with Lee and it’s about as good a return as we’re going to get, and our best chance to get a possible future star on the cheap.

    • ShawnCVD

      It wouldn’t be cheap though . $15 mil per year. Going this route is Ainge conceding that Boston is not a destination for high profile free agents next Summer. Add up all the payroll and Celts become strapped again with no financial flexibility. You become strapped financially over PP/KG/Judas or LeBron/Wade/Bosh-Spice. Is Rondo/Green/Gordon enough ?

  • I bleed green in L.A.

    Initial reaction is no, BUT, if Paul is leaving we do need a goto scorer. Jeff Green and Gordon would be the scoring? I really don’t want Bradley to go anywhere.

    I was hoping more for this: Pierce and a player for Josh Smith? Can this actually happen, both teams sign and trade? I know there is something in the CBA about teams not being able to sign and trade if they are in the luxury tax/or repeater tax status? Anyway, if that could happen and then send KG to the Clipps for Bledsoe and Jordan. I know none of these players add up to Pierce and Garnett, but the youth of our team would be amazing. Rondo, Bradley, Jeff Green, Josh Smith and DeAndre Jordan, with Bledsoe, Sully off the bench (Oldest age 27, with Rondo and Smith). Get some good players in the draft over the next couple years and we’re back on top. You have to realize that Miami is winning the rings for a while, so rebuild now for another title in 2015-16?

    • Danno

      Paul is only “leaving” if the Celtics push him out the door. He’s not asking for a trade. He wants to finish here. There’s no point in trading him for lackluster talent who won’t bring you any closer to a title than he will with his aging.

      • I bleed green in L.A.

        I love Paul, but the team needs to transition. This needs to be Rondo’s team and we need to get younger. Jsmoove will run with Rondo and is a good shot blocker. The team I proposed can finally make the Celtics a fast-break team. Rondo can drive to the paint on a full court break or in a half court offense, he gets in there no matter who’s guarding him, and then imagine those rim finishers: Smith, Green and DeAndre, with Bradley back on defense.

        • Danno

          the team IS transitioning. Jeff Green is Starting with Bradley and Rondo.

          • LA Flake

            If Rondo, AB and Green were to start, we need to add a dominant big to make it all work. Al Jefferson, Dwight Howard, Greg Oden, Andrew Bynum…or DMC…

    • LA Flake

      Josh Smith is an intriguing talent but with him and Rondo on the floor together, our spacing will be terrible unless you surround them with Ray Allen-caliber, pure shooters at every other position. So, no to Pierce for Smith. I would be very interested in signing Smith without giving up Pierce though.

  • Double P

    I’m surprised at how many people want to bring back the same old legless team. Pierce is gone guys whether trade or buyout Danny is getting rid of him. When healthy Gordon is one of the best shooting guards in the league. Rondo Gordon backcourt is a nice future to have

    • Chulinho

      “When healthy Gordon is one of the best shooting guards in the league.”

      The problem is he’s hardly ever healthy. Also, I prefer an Avery/Rondo backcourt. It’s easier to find guards that can score than it is to find guards that are great defenders.

      • Double P

        Do we not also hang the injury thing over Bradley? Gordon is ten times the player Avery is with similar injury concerns

        • LA Flake

          Gordon isn’t ten times the player Avery is but I do agree that he is one of the best shooting guards in the league when healthy. He can shoot like Ray Allen but can also drive. Very good player.

        • Chulinho

          I don’t know about you, but I don’t view their injuries as similar. AB has had problems with his shoulders, while Gordon has battled knee problems for the most part.

          Gordon is a better player when healthy, but knees are tricky parts of the body. I wouldn’t want to go after someone like that if I can’t be sure that they’ll be healthy.

  • cdub

    The question is… If traded and bought out by another team, can pierce resign with the celtics this year? I think I have read that he could not, but I am not quite sure. Does anyone here know for sure, and not just your speculation but actual fact?
    Cdub

    • tvor03

      no, he’d have to wait at least a year.

  • ShawnCVD

    Swap picks this year or a future first round pick and then we’re talking. Otherwise Crawford should go.

  • Fitzy

    I’d rather go after tyreke evans than gordon

  • Double P

    Bradley is so overrated its hilarious to me you guys want Bradley over Gordon. Thank god none of you would sniff a GM job.

    Iman Shumpert > Bradley
    Tony Allen > Bradley
    Lance Stephenson > Bradley

    Gordon > all the above

    • Reggie35RIP

      Gordon > all the above*

      * If he actually plays.

    • KGino

      Overrated in what way? He’s the best defender in the league at his position and hasn’t even had a full season under his belt yet. He’s young and has a ton of potential. He looked awful trying to do rondos job, but lets not forget that Bradley was playing out of position for basically the entire year.

      • Double P

        You just made my point about being overrated, I just listed 3 guards off the top of my head I’d rather take as a defensive guard than Bradley yet u say he’s the best in the league

        • KGino

          key words “I’d rather take as a defensive guard.” That’s fine, that’s your opinion. But opinions shouldn’t be taken as fact.

          The closest things we have to facts are statistics. Bradley lead the league in both “opponents points per possession” and “opponent field goal percentage”. He single handedly changes our defense. Celtics D over the last 2 years without bradley gives up about 93-94 points per game. With Bradley that number is around 88 ppg (the best average in the league both of the last two years).

          Now, overrated in what way?…Besides your opinion?

          • KGino

            Also, those numbers weren’t just for his position, they were for EVERY position.

            One could make the argument that he is the best defender in the league with those statistics… But I won’t go that far, because that WOULD be overrating. I believe he will be considered the best defender in the league, one day. Right now he is AT LEAST top 10

  • http://www.facebook.com/filip.soswa Filip Soswa

    Get Gortat and I think guy like T.Evans would be great for this team since he can create off the dribble.

  • http://twitter.com/Wilanthropist Wil Reyes

    Contract too big and too injury prone, lets just try to ignore this rumor:)

  • naterich

    Dont pull the trigger on any trade to get a guard made of glass!

    BIG MEN should be the primary targets

  • Buddy_Hinton

    Hey LA Flake, can you please explain how you sign Smith and keep Pierce? DA would probably want to know too.

  • Pete Luscombe

    dafuq? NO.

  • Reggie35RIP

    Eric Gordon is the Andrew Bynum of guards. In short hell f#%king no.

    This would be a very high risk/highish reward trade. The risk is further compounded by his massive contract. If for some unknown reason the trade did go through and he had another injury riddled season, we’d be stuck with his fat salary for another two years because no one would want to touch him. Or if we wanted to get rid of him we’d only be getting spare parts back.

    This is the f#%ked up allure of “star” injury prone players. IF (<- that's a massive IF) they do play they're high impact, if they don't you may as well have brought Paul Mokeski out of retirement.

    I don't think it's worth the risk for PP and Bradley. If we're shopping AB around in a package I think we can do better. Let some other team deal with the headache that is Eric Gordon.

    • Reggie35RIP

      On a side note I REALLY want to start hearing trade rumours that involve big men that are rebounding demons, not injury prone 2 guards.

      • Mannie

        Maybe celtics can work a trade for varejao, that’s if caves get expected no.1 pick Noel..

  • frickenWaaaltah

    This is such a homer blogger trade idea. New Orleans ditches a guy
    who is injury prone, and who made it clear he didn’t want to be there. They
    get an elite perimeter defender on a rookie contract, Paul Pierce for a year (fantastic for their young players), AND huge huge
    cap space for the summer of 2014 aka the most loaded free agency summer the league has seen in a long time.

    The Pelicans would then definitely not be looking to trade Pierce for anything. They’d just let his contract expire. The whole idea is that they want to just ditch Eric Gordon and sign somebody they’d much rather have for about the same amount of money.

    Eric Gordon makes ~14 mil a year till 2016. If they do this trade, their commitments for summer 2014 would be:

    Austin Rivers and Anthony Davis on rookie contracts till 2016 at a combined total of about 8 mil. Robin Lopez for ~5 million a year till summer 2015, and Ryan Anderson for ~9mil a year till 2016. Combined total: ~22 million. They will also have a bunch of rookie contracts expiring in 2014 including AB. If they don’t renounce them, it’s only like ~6 million against the cap until they decide what to do with them.

    So that would be a grand total of…30 to 36 million in cap space, maybe more if the cap goes up from ~58mil. They could sign 2-4 major guys and then pay the formerly rookie contract players they want to keep. It would be freakin’ awesome for NO.

    Danny didn’t go for OJ Mayo so why would he want Gordon? Why would the C’s give up AB as part of the deal? NO would have to offer the C’s an unprotected pick to even consider it, but it wouldn’t be a lotto pick anyway because NO should be pretty awesome in November 2014.

    The developing theme of Paul Pierce trades: if you don’t want to commit to spending years of cap space on damaged goods and 2nd rate ‘elite’ players and giving away an extra nice young player for the privilege, then we’ll have to wait a year.

  • falseprophet123

    Get rid of Pierce and take anything you can get, he’s done. Avery has a very limited offensive arsenal, I’d get rid of him too. The Celts don’t have many chips to play with. Maybe they can get Jason Collins to come back and play! LMFAO! The Celts will be in the bottom of the division for years to come.

    • KGino

      The false prophet coming with false facts and false predictions, not surprising.

  • frank

    Nope. If we trade Paul and bradley for a young scorer so be it but not gordon. Dude has not been healthy since he was on the clippers. And the way he handled the free agency process last year leaves me worried. Has alot of growing to do similar to crawford or williams. Injury prone players dont have good luck in boston. Hell healthy players come here and get injured. Leave gordon in new orleans.

  • KGino

    The good thing about trade rumors are the ones you hear about aren’t likely to happen.

    I wouldn’t trade either player straight up for fragile Gordon.

  • LarryBirdsJ

    Rondo needs to go as well. He is a talented player but poison in the locker room. Young players do not like to play with him.