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Taking Stock: Celtics – Grizzlies

John - Red's Army (@RedsArmy_John) January 3, 2013 Taking Stock 15 Comments on Taking Stock: Celtics – Grizzlies

After every game, we’ll take stock of how each individual performance affects the player’s overall value.


Offense:     Defense:      Overall: 

Whether by injury, by choice, or by a lack of ability, Rondo’s defense has regressed badly.  Avery Bradley started out on Mike Conley, putting Rondo on Allen, and Allen promptly exploded for a 6-8 shooting night.   Rondo also struggled mightily with his shot, and made some very poor decisions late in the game.  He was wincing a lot out there, making me wonder if the injury is bothering him more than he or the team lets on.  But if it’s bothering him that much, he shouldn’t be out there.

 Offense:        Defense:        Overall: 

He couldn’t hit a damn thing.  I was iffy on the defensive rating, but I ultimately went neutral because there were just too many times I saw no effort in boxing out.

Offense:        Defense:        Overall: 

I thought he was going to go for 40… then he cooled off… significantly.  He didn’t have his best game… nor did he have his worst.   I guess that why there’s so much yellow there.

Offense:         Defense:         Overall: 

Yes, your starting center needs more than 1 rebound in 18 minutes.  He did play some decent defense in a couple of stretches, and he hit that set-shot looking thing.  That’s something.

 Offense:         Defense:       Overall: 

When I saw the Bradley back-door cut for the lay up… I damn near melted.  His jumper, however, snapped me back into the reality that it will take a little while for his jumper to return. Defensively, he started out on Conley and did a good job.  I don’t think Conley goes off again when they run this back in March.



 Offense:         Defense:       Overall: 

Green’s shot was falling.  He hit 4 of the 5 shots he took in 20 minutes.  I’m not saying he was awesome out there, but he was productive on the offensive end.  Defensively, though, he’s slow to recognize certain things on the floor.  It didn’t cost him as much in this game, but there were a few times Memphis could have attacked him on D but didn’t.

 Offense:       Defense:        Overall: 

The Celtics didn’t get Jason Terry for his defense, that’s for sure.


 Offense:        Defense:        Overall: 

The thing I’m most upset about in last night’s game is Lee’s lack of playing time.  He was aggressive, and he played some tough D.  Yes, he did have a couple of lapses, but overall, Lee was pretty good, and he deserved more time.

 Offense:         Defense:        Overall: 

He got to the rim a couple of times, which is nice.  He also made a couple of nice rotations on D that led to steals.  I’m bumping him down because he only got 1 rebound.  He came into the season saying he wanted to concentrate more on that… and his rebounding numbers are down.


 Offense:         Defense:        Overall: 

This kid will always work hard.  It doesn’t always pay off.  Defensively, he’s starting to understand it a little bit more, so the progress there is encouraging.  I think he forced it a little too much on offense.


   Substitutions:       Overall: 

The game, to me, change significantly at the 8:36 mark in the 2nd quarter, when Avery Bradley checked in for Courtney Lee who was out there with Jason Terry.  The Celtics 4 point lead had turned into a 1 point deficit, and I felt like a defensive backcourt was the answer to stopping the Grizzlies run.  Instead, Bradley came in for Lee, and the Grizzlies tacked on 8 points to the lead by halftime.


Last night’s loss felt like I should throw a big massive red arrow here….. or maybe combined it with our elephant picture to make it look like it was taking a big red arrow dump.

But the reality is that this loss wasn’t all that bad.  In a vacuum, without the previous 3 losses putting us in a foul mood, the numbers show the Celtics played the Grizzlies pretty evenly (other than rebounding).

FG%:   MEM:  34-71 (47.9%)  BOS:  32-71 (45.1%)
3PT FG%:   MEM: 8-18 (44.4%)  BOS: 8-22 (36.4%)
Assists:   MEM: 23  BOS: 22
Turnovers:  MEM: 13  BOS: 10

The game was won at the line, where Memphis made 17 to Boston’s 11.  The Celtics actually won the points in the paint battle last night.  They only lost the 2nd chance points battle 10-6.  They won in fastbreak points 15-10.

It felt horrible.  It looked bad at times.  But it wasn’t as bad as you think.  They played the West’s 4th seed, a now 20-9 team, pretty evenly.  And this isn’t to say “hey look, we’re fine.”  It’s just saying it’s not as bad as you think.

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  • Stephanie

    Spot on..I blamed Doc last night for his subbing. Lee was aggressive last night and needed more playing time. A defensive back court of Lee and AB would’ve been very beneficial and could’ve lead to some easy transition buckets, which is Lee’s strength.

    Doc has to do better with his guard substitution.

  • illegalblues

    doc’s substitutions were definitely what killed us. AB and Lee needs to be our second unit.

  • Willowgreen

    they should lessen time they haveRo do on the floor if they want to maximize talent

    • Stephanie

      Yep, I love Rondo, but I think the new guys, especially Lee goes into a shell and just waits for Rondo to make a play instead of reacting off instincts.

      I’ve watched some of Lee’s highlights from last yr and we’re not getting even 1/3 of what he can do, especially in transition.

  • KGino

    I said it before the game last night, we’ll lose but show improvement.. I didn’t think they played all that bad.

    KG missed a lot of shots he normally makes, Darell Arthur (who?) hit a lot of shots he normally misses, and we did make it interesting in the 4th quarter with a little run (and showed some resiliency, which we didn’t see any of on the west coast trip).

    I say it’s progress. Just having AB back seemed like everyone was finally playing where they belong, and I expect them to finally gain some consistency this month.

  • Chris 2.0

    Just throwing it out there, but does it make any sense to start playing a little zone defense? Hopefully easier on some of the newcomers who arent getting it and keep a presence in the paint? Also KG needs to move to the 5 spot like yesterday, let’s start Sully or Green at PF (depending on the opponent). Green coming off the bench just isn’t working. I wouldn’t be opposed to see PP go to the 2 spot and start Green at 3, KG and Sully since I am playing mad scientist here, just to see what works.

    I’d love to see some back to basics at this point…hands up on D, talking more on defense (which there is a significant lack of this year), making the extra pass. Before we press the EJECT button on this team, I think there are some more avenues that could be pursued and it’s easier to shake up what you have then blow it up which would leave us with what again exactley???? A bunch of guys who are gonna need half a season to figure it out. As PAINFUL as this is, its not time for the nuclear codes yet.

    • eddysamson

      Shit if they did that they could probably throw Melo out there!

      • Chris 2.0

        If it keeps going like this I wouldn’t be surprised after the all-star break.

    • Brick James

      Unless Collins can stay on the court for 48 minutes, there will be no zone unless you want to watch KG Sully and Bass get posterized every 3 minutes.

  • eddysamson

    On the rebounding stats-

    I noticed this blatantly during the 2nd quarter, but Memphis doubled the Celtics rebounds. Tommy and Mike kept pointing out how bad it was but all I saw was Memphis making most of their shots and us missing most of ours. That means they had more opportunities to get defensive rebounds than we did- by far. Obviously they are going to pull away when that is happening.

    • JG

      That’s true at the end of the game, but actually at the point you’re thinking of (when it was 14-7 on rebounding in favor of the Grizzlies) both teams were shooting exactly 63%. So the misses weren’t the reason at that point.

      • eddysamson

        Well whatever the stats say I cant deny what I saw. I saw multiple possessions in a row where we missed shots and Memphis turned around and scored. Its when KG missed like 4 in a row.

  • I cant believe that Rondo is playing through an injury and you are taking shots at his game. Rondo,as ususal has been the most consistent player on this team, we all know what Rondo will do and can do, then Courtney lee gets the green arrow for one game??? I have forgotten the reason why i thought this team that was put together, and why i thought they were so deep, I dont think that it is fair to blame Rondo when everbody on this team share some type of blame, even the coaches at this point deserves some of the blame, but lets not
    beat up on the one guy that boston KNOWS that they can count on, if he wasnt injured then i wouldnt say a word. Boston needs to change their offense to fit these guys, i love doc rivers but he is too set in his ways, this is a whole new team, and these new guys are not mentally strong, they are not competitive, confident, and it is a shame to see them put on a boston celtic jersey!!

  • Chris H

    It was rough to watch in stretches and I was hopeful to see some things click in sections. Lee and Terry should have been in longers, especially once Pierce went off the rails.

    Pierce needs to called out a bit. He was getting abused at points. Multiple turnovers, ill advised shots and just settling for threes before even looking around, has to add up to at least 10 points a game lost by the Captain. When are we going to own up to that?

    Terry and Lee should have been given the floor to run, given Pierce and KG’s lack of heroics, AB’s return and Rondo’s injury.

    Collins I see people faulting, but he is average at best, so getting production out him is him over achieving.

    I renew my call to get either Melo or Vornado some real minutes, ASAP. I don’t care if anyone thinks they are ready. There is a huge hole in the paint every minute of the game that IS ready for some one to step up.

  • paul

    Folks now blaming Rondo for Lee’s tentative play? Come on. But these guys need to be talking to each other and working this stuf f out