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Sorry, ’96 Bulls… The ’86 Celtics were better

RedsArmyAdmin June 17, 2011 Uncategorized 9 Comments

86 celtics The Sporting News just came out with its 10 greatest NBA teams of all time.  And, of course, it lists the 1996 Chicago Bulls team at #1.

I could go into how the league was terribly watered down at that point, having expanded three times in seven years… adding six teams over that span… including the year before the big 72 win run.  But I'll spare any further ranting about that (not really. It's a running theme).  The '96 Bulls were good.  Very good.  But they weren't the best ever. 

That title belongs to the 1986 Boston Celtics (4th on this list)  

The Big 3 of Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish was dominant, combining to average about 63 points and more than 27 rebounds per game.  Add to that Dennis Johnson, whose 15.6 ppg, 5.8 apg, and 3.4 rpg didn't even do justice to his overall impact on the game and his defensive prowess.  Add to that the sharp shooting Danny Ainge, who shot 50.4% that year.  Add to that the C's bench, anchored by Bill Walton.  

The Celtics had five Hall of Famers on their roster, four of whom were named among the 50 greatest players in NBA history (though, granted, Walton had clearly passed his prime.  But still, his name is on that list). 

The Bulls had two on that list.  The only two hall of famers on that roster.  Kukoc was a good player, but he doesn't compare to any of the Big 3 as a third option.  Ron Harper couldn't hold Dennis Johnson's jock.  And I'll guarantee you Dennis Rodman doesn't come close to grabbing 15 rebounds against that Celtics front line.  I'll spare any comparisons with Bill Wennington, Luc Longly, Jack Haley or anyone else on the Bulls' bench.  

Larry Bird was on ESPN Radio Dallas this week and he says, flat out, his '86 team is the best he's ever seen.

“We were gooood. It was the best team I have ever seen. We were strong; we had a lot of big guys; we had guards; we felt we were a smart team. And it was all because of Scotty Wedman, Jerry Sichting and Bill Walton coming off our bench. We were deep. It was just a good team, it was easy to play for, and I knew when we started training camp if we stayed healthy we were probably going to win a championship. I never had that feeling before. We won a lot of games and we took care of business when the playoffs came around.”

There was no expansion in 1986.  That was the league at its apex.  Larry, Magic, Ewing, Jordan, Dominique, Dr. J, Kareem, Drexler, Dream, Isiah… all among the greatest of all time at their positions.  All of them in the league at the same time.  Go look at the All Star and All NBA rosters (scroll to the bottom).  Look at the legends on those teams. 

The NBA was stacked in 1985-86.  And the Celtics won 67 games.  SIXTY SEVEN.  Only five fewer wins than the vaunted Bulls. 

In 1996?  Vin Baker was an All Star.  Juwan Howard.  Penny Hardaway. Glen Rice.  Some good players, but no sustained greatness.  A lot of those guys were having good seasons, sure, but most of these guys will fade into oblivion.  

The '96 Bulls were a great team.  You don't win 72 games if you're not.  But I can only imagine what that '86 Celtics would have done had they had the chance to play '96 competition.  The league had changed radically over that 10 year span.  The NBA in the mid-90's was not very good at all.  The league was in the process of remaking its identity.  The NBA in the mid-80's was as good as it would ever get.  To me that makes 67 wins in 1985-86 more impressive than 72 wins in 1996.

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  • http://profile.typepad.com/jacobnoble Jacob Noble

    I love the fact that Rick Carlisle is in that picture.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jacobnoble Jacob Noble

    Also I don’t appreciate the dig at my childhood hero.. Penny Hardaway, it’s not his fault he had bum knees.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/redsarmy Red’s Army

    No, but that doesn’t elevate him into an all-time great. I remember him being really good… but he’s just not a hall of famer

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jacobnoble Jacob Noble

    oh trust me i know he wasn’t an all time great, sad ending. but you are absolutely right.. the Rookie team in 86 was compiled of the best playersi n the 90’s… add in all the legends from late 70’s and 80’s… the peak of the league

  • http://profile.typepad.com/scottpriest Scott Priest

    My instinct was the same as Jacob’s — don’t lump Penny in there. Jordan himself even said upon retiring (can’t remember which time) that Penny was one of the guys he could see taking over the league. Just got hurt. (And Shaq did some psychological damage, but he probably would have gotten over that.)
    And Penny had incredible shoes, which obviously is the most important part of this.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p01156f5d5008970c Jester00

    Penny = overratted but some of the best shoes out there.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/licktheglassitol Classless

    Bird coming off his 3rd straight MVP, 40-1 at home, rolled through the playoffs, Walton (one of the greatest ever when healthy) coming off the bench. Yeah, they are the best.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jmeedu James Eisenman

    The people who pick these things are like the ones who pick Dwight Howard and Rondo as all-defense. They’re looking at the stats of their regular season records and ignoring what actually happened on the court. The ’86 Celtics, the ’72 Lakers, various Celtics teams in the mid-60’s, one of the Cowens/Havlicek teams of thr mid-80’s and the ’87 Lakers should all be ahead of the Bulls. None of these people probably even saw these teams play, so what do they really know?

  • http://profile.typepad.com/mikemunger Mike Munger

    Outside of Jordan and Pippen, the 72 win Bulls team doesn’t have a single player to match up with the 86 Celtics. And not that Pippen could do anything against Bird in his prime but he’s the closest the Bulls would have. And with DJ covering MJ, MJ wouldn’t have an easy time at all. The Bulls wouldn’t stand a chance against our frontline. Rodman would be a non factor. Kerr?? Please. Kukoc?? Please. It would be an embarrassing rout.