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Here’s a thought… don’t let Mo catch fire

RedsArmyAdmin May 3, 2010 Uncategorized 36 Comments

Flaming moe

Fool me once… shame on you…

Fool me twice…….

Remember this:

The Celtics were better early, then LeBron
James
and the Cavaliers blew right by them.

Story of this
game.

Story of the season.

James had 36 points, nine assists
and seven rebounds, Mo
Williams
scored 14 of his 19 points in the fourth quarter, and
Cleveland dominated the second half in a 108-88 victory Thursday night.

Unable to stop Rajon
Rondo
or the Celtics in the first quarter, the Cavaliers turned up
the defense in the fourth, limiting the Celtics to 3-of-21 shooting and
snapping a nine-game losing streak in Boston, counting playoffs.

Hmmmmm… Rajon Rondo was huge early… Mo Williams got hot late… LeBron James finishes with a big number and gets all the credit?

That was the story line February 25th.  It was also the story Saturday night.  The common denominator:  Mo Williams got unreasonably hot and could not be stopped.

So as we head into Game 2 tonight, let's remember that we have now been burned twice by the Flaming Mo… how about putting out that fire quickly if it starts to happen again tonight, huh?  If he hits 2 shots in a row, maybe a quick time out to try to put that fire out before he gets into such a crazy rhythm that he's impossible to stop?

I'm sick of this guy torching us.

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  • mikey

    The guy made 4 shots in a row.
    4 shots is not catching fire.
    You don’t comeback and tie a ballgame on 4 shots.
    You only do that when the refs cheat.

  • mikey

    The Cavs made 2 runs a 10-2 run with Mo
    And a 7-0 run at the end of the game.
    Both runs were ref influenced.
    That is all the Cavs did the entire game.
    And Mo made that one dunk.
    You don’t win a game because you made 1 dunk on a 10-2 run and hit 2 3’s at the end of the game.
    The Celtics dominated the entire game.
    That 17-2 run would have only bought the Cavs to about 15 down had the game been called correctly.
    And here is the correct score for Game 1
    Celtics 103-Cavs 89

  • ferdinand

    foul trouble is the big problem. reg season was a fluke game. reason they backed off was because of fouls. mo getting hot i think is just co-incidence. need to stay out of foul trouble unfortunately is not always in the players hands. referees dan crawford, dick bavetta and ed malloy scares me. mr. stern has his own big 3. it can get ugly!

  • http://profile.typepad.com/redsarmy Red’s Army

    honestly guys… I’m sick of all the refs talk. The refs aren’t cheating. I honestly don’t want to go through the rest of the playoffs bitching about the refs.

  • mikey

    You’re sick of the refs talk, but the Celtics players and fans are sick of the refs.
    The refs are cheating.
    Its a fact.
    If you don’t want to go through the rest of the playoffs talking about the refs, then how can the refs go the rest of the players using whistles on our players?
    When you are even in FG 36-38, Rebounds 41-41, & Assists 20-18, and the fouls go 25-17, and the FT go 31-21, the only difference in the game is the refs.
    The refs decide a game like that when you look in the box scores and see numbers like that. The calls weren’t legit in Game 1, so the refs cheated. The numbers prove it.
    Its Delaney, Rush, J Crawford, D Crawford, Salvatore, Bavetta, Mauer, Stern & S Jackson, and maybe a few others.
    That’s it.
    This isn’t a 9/11 conspiracy, its not JFK grassy knoll. This is not politics.
    It is a few guys in the game who control EVERYTHING. Those guys control EVERYTHING in the game. So it is easy for them to cheat and get away with it.
    And when you make posts telling people not to talk about the refs, you’re just proving the point that the refs cheat, becuase instead of stating the truth and what you see on the court, you try and silence people.
    They want to make you think Garnett & Pierce stink, and it is supposed to be ok for people to light up message boards insulting Garnett & Pierce, when in fact it is the refs who stink, and the people should be lighting up the message boards insulting the refs.
    Since 1990-91 both the Lakers & Celtics have had 20 regular seasons, that is 40 total season. ONLY 3 TIMES OUT OF 40 HAVE THE CELTICS EITHER GOTTEN FAVORABLE CALLS OR THE LAKERS HAVE GOTTEN UNFAVORABLE CALLS. 3 out of 40. The Lakers have 18 of their last season getting favorable calls. The numbers prove it.
    It went full circle in 1990-91 to promote Jordan, and cheat the Celtics out of the Pistons & Cavs series in 1991 & 1992 so they couldn’t face the Bulls. Back then it was only 2 or 3 calls a game that always went to the Bulls and 1 or 2 for the Lakers and people started complaining.
    NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE REFS IN THE 1984 NBA FINALS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!!!
    Now though it is 8-10 calls a game in almost every single Cavs game and it is twice as bad as it was for the 90’s Bulls and the Lakers getting their call here in there. What they do for the Cavs is much worse than what they did for the 90’s Bulls & Lakers.
    You think Phoneix is happy?
    You think Orlando is happy?
    You think Dalls is happy?
    Sacramento?
    Denver?
    No, all of those teams feel the same way.
    The refs are cheaters.
    Admit it.
    Stating otherwise just proves the point.

  • mikey

    correction The Lakers have 18 of their last 20 seasons getting favorable calls which means being called for less personal fouls than their opponents over an 82 game season. I will post the numbers later.

  • BrownsTown

    The Celtics shot 78 free throws to Miami’s 46 in the first three games of the first round. Miami was called for 71 fouls, Boston 48. Were the refs cheating then, too?
    Give it a rest with the conspiracy theory talk.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/redsarmy Red’s Army

    Man… how is me saying something to the contrary proving your point.
    I love your passion and dedication… but the refs are not cheating. They may suck. They may miss calls. But they’re not cheating.

  • mikey

    If you want to believe the refs don’t cheat, that is fine. You can believe what they want.
    I’ll never make 1 comment on 1 Cavs board, because they can stay in their happy little world, I don’t want to bother them. If they think the calls are legit, let them enjoy it.
    However, once you start telling me what to do, and try and silence others who post the same thing, all you do is prove the point that the refs cheat.
    Stop telling other people what to do.
    I’m not telling anybody what to do.
    I’m just telling you the refs cheat and the numbers prove it.
    If you don’t think the refs cheat, go live in la la land I’m not going to bother you, but the second you start telling me what to do you prove the point.

  • mikey

    OK but that is different from telling me not to talk about the refs, and trying to silence me.
    If you believe that fine, but telling other people not to talk about it, only proves the point.
    They don’t miss calls, they do it on purpose because every call is consistent with keeping Cavs players out of foul trouble and putting Celitcs players in foul trouble.

  • BrownsTown

    Again, were the refs also cheating when they gave the Celtics 32 more free throws in the first three games against Miami? Obviously they must have been. Do you think Miami is happy? Do you?

  • mikey

    No because the Celtics destroyed them in the other numbers. Check the box scores.
    The Celtics did get a few calls it looked like in Games 1 & 2 vs the Heat but they got the calls after being way way way ahead.
    The Cavs get the calls when they are behind to keep them in the game.
    Perkins was a +42 in Game 2 no ref is going to change that outcome.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/redsarmy Red’s Army

    I’m not trying to silence you.. I’m trying to tell you that it’s getting a little old. You’re overlooking the Celtics problems and the mistakes they made.
    Believe what you want to believe. I’m just trying to show you that you might be overstating things a bit… that’s all.

  • mikey

    And you think what Quentin did was OK, and not for Garnett.
    OK for Jermaine to push Davis to the ground, but not OK for Garnett to stand up for his teammate.
    How did that call work out?
    Who did it benefit?
    The Heat and that was Game 1 & 2.
    Plus the Heat got a bunch of calls in Game 4 & 5.
    No reason for Miami not to be happy when none of the calls made by the refs affected the outcome.

  • BrownsTown

    I have, and clearly using your logic the refs cheated to give the Celtics the win in Game 3. They made 18 free throws and Miami only shot 17 of them.
    The refs knew that Miami would beat Boston, so they gave the C’s Game 3. The free throw numbers don’t lie, as you’ve “proven.” Sorry if you can’t accept the truth.

  • mikey

    The only problems and mistakes the Celtics made that cost them the game were due to the refs.
    Sure the Celtics made mistakes, but nothing that cost them the game.
    The refs cost them the game.
    Its not getting old because it keeps happening, probably happening again tonight so something that happens today is not old.
    The thing is I’m not believing what I want to believe. The numbers show the cheating. It cannot be disputed. If you don’t believe the refs cheat, then fine. You won’t be correct until you can show it through stats. And the stats will show the refs cheat.

  • mikey

    You’re wrong.
    That is only 1 more FT.
    1 more FT almost never decides a game.
    Watch the Cavs game, they usually get 8-20 more FT in the games the refs cheat for them.
    Nobody looks at an 18-17 FT advantage and thinks people are cheating.
    First its Game 1 with you then Game 2, now Game 3. What’s next?

  • BrownsTown

    Let’s not forget Game 1, where the Celtics made 22 free throws and Miami shot 13 in the whole game. Wow, that’s 12 more points the refs gave the C’s in a game they won by 9!
    So, clearly Miami should have been up 3-1 in that series going to back to Boston for Game 5, but alas, the refs cheated them.

  • BrownsTown

    No. Boston MADE more FT’s than Miami TOOK. That’s clearly cheating. And only a biased homer could say that advantages of 28-13 and 27-16 are not refs cheating.

  • BrownsTown

    Sorry, you’re just being a homer who ignores when the refs cheat for the Celtics.
    The Heat didn’t get a “bunch of calls”. Boston even shot more free throws in Miami than the Heat did in Games 3 and 4. Pure cheating by the refs, sorry again.

  • mikey

    Its box scores plus calls throughout the game.
    There weren’t more than 3 bad calls that went for the Celtics in any game in the Heat series.
    The Cavs got anywhere from 8-12 horrible calls in their favor in Game 1. More bad calls than the Celtics got in their favor in the entire Heat series.

  • mikey

    The Heat won Game 4, you have no idea what you are talking about.
    Like I said first its Game 1 with you then 2 then 3 then 4 and next will be 5 I bet.
    The Heat did get calls in Game 4 & 5. And again those are not two teams that are evenly matched. The Celtics have a clear advantage over the Celtics.
    The Celtics and Cavs are evenly matched, so it shows how the refs cheated in Game 1.
    66 out of the last 102 playoff games the Celtics have shot less free throws and been called for more personal fouls.
    No homer there.
    Just pure facts.

  • mikey

    correction Celtics have a clear advantage over the Heat.

  • mikey

    so what the calls related to the box scores.
    In Game 1 of the Cavs Celtics the calls did not relate to the box scores.
    The calls were ridiculous.
    1.Jamison charge on Davis.
    2.Mo runs into Garnett.
    3.Rondo fake charge.
    4.Lebron strips Davis fouls him hard.
    5.Shaq offensive goaltending.
    6.Hickson travel.
    7.Lebron travel.
    8.Mo blatant carry
    9.Possible Shaq flagrant.
    9 horrible calls, no such thing in any Heat Celtics game.

  • BrownsTown

    If you say the numbers prove that the refs cheated for the Cavs against Boston, they also prove that they cheated for Boston against Miami.
    As for your opinion about what is a “horrible call”, I bet we could find a Heat fan could find “8-12 horrible calls” that went in Boston’s favor in Games 1-3. After all, Boston shot 32 more free throws than the Heat.
    If you argue that the refs cheat for the favored teams, then they also cheat for the Celtics. At least be logically consistent in your argument.

  • mikey

    You won’t be able to make a list like this
    1.Jamison charge on Davis.
    2.Mo runs into Garnett.
    3.Rondo fake charge.
    4.Lebron strips Davis fouls him hard.
    5.Shaq offensive goaltending.
    6.Hickson travel.
    7.Lebron travel.
    8.Mo blatant carry
    9.Possible Shaq flagrant.
    for any Heat Celtics game.
    The Heat didn’t ripped off on that many calls in the entire series.

  • mikey

    You’re wrong.
    You’re just giving numbers without citing the plays.
    The numbers were 28-13 & 27-16 in the Heat Celtics game because that is what happened on the court. There is no list of 9 bogus calls in any of those games. Wasn’t even 9 bogus calls against the Heat for the entire series.
    And again the Heat and Celtics are not evenly matched.
    The Celtics and Cavs are evenly matched, so again you are wrong.

  • mikey

    They don’t cheat for the Celtics that affect any outcome. They may give them calls when they are way ahead to say “look we cheat for the Celtics too” so they can rob them of another victory.
    19 out of the last 20 seasons the Celtics have been called for MORE personal fouls than their opponent.
    1 out of 20 seasons the Celtics got calls, 2002-03 that’s it and you think they cheat FOR the Celtics?
    No. You’re wrong

  • mikey

    But your not naming the plays, you are just saying “I bet the Heat could find 8-12 plays”
    If you don’t name the plays, back it up with facts from the box scores, don’t respond to my posts.

  • BrownsTown

    I’m not a Heat fan, so I have interest in making up such a list. Go on a Heat message board, I’m sure you’ll find something similar.
    But now you’re just substituting opinion for fact anyway.
    See you after the game, and “Red”, great site.

  • mikey

    If you have no interest in making up such a list, you don’t have any right to respond to my posts with any credible information.
    That is the point.
    You are subbing opinion for fact.
    I am giving you facts, check my other posts on the other articles. All the facts are there.

  • mikey

    There isn’t anything even close on any Heat board.
    The Heat did not get cheated in their series.
    They lost fair and square.

  • mikey

    You keep saying
    “Go on this board” or
    ” I bet a Heat fan can make up a list”
    I’m not saying that.
    I’m giving the facts.
    I’m not saying oh maybe this or maybe that I’m stating the facts which are all 100% the truth.

  • mikey

    Browntown you keep saying they cheat for the Celtics.
    Why don’t you take a look at this list and tell me exactly in what year did the refs cheat for the Celtics?
    Celtics PF opponents PF
    1990-91 1695 1660
    1991-92 1686 1634
    1992-93 1862 1676
    1993-94 1849 1739
    1994-95 1975 1922
    1995-96 2041 1965
    1996-97 1915 1827
    1997-98 2203 1719
    1998-99 1193 1001
    1999-00 2223 1928
    2000-01 1952 1903
    2001-02 1776 1734
    2002-03 1758 1798
    2003-04 1837 1819
    2004-05 2000 1937
    2005-06 2033 1837
    2006-07 1971 1757
    2007-08 1864 1818
    2008-09 1897 1820
    2009-10 1816 1777

  • ferdinand

    your both homers. you both filled this blog with nonsense and just brought basketball back 50 years. good job. its the players jobs at the end of the day to make sure they win the game. best example of that was 08. celtics went 7 games in the first round twice because of the road. road teams usually get unfavorable calls for so many reasons, crowd, travel whatever. im just sayin…they need to stay out of foul trouble but stay aggressive at the same time. lets hope the refs can control their own egos and call this one right. its the toughest series to ref in the 2nd round. go celtics.

  • mikey

    Refs are cheaters.
    Stats are FACTS.