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So we’re watching minutes already, huh?

RedsArmyAdmin October 28, 2009 Uncategorized 15 Comments

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If you didn't hear last night's post-game call in show, you missed me already starting to get worked up about minutes.  Right off the bat… I'm wondering what Doc was thinking with Ray Allen, who played 42 minutes in last nights win.

42 minutes on opening night.  42 minutes on the front-end of back-to-back games.  42 minutes on a night where he wasn't really carrying the majority of the offensive load.  42 minutes of play when Eddie House and Marquis Daniels, two guys specifically tasked with giving him some rest, COMBINED for 30 minutes.

This can all be remedied by cutting back on the minutes tonight.  If Ray plays 32 minutes tonight… then we can all move on and just chalk this up to me being a jerk with a hair trigger temper and internet space to fill.

But I fear that it won't be remedied.  I'm afraid Doc leans on Ray too much.  He has for two years now.  Ray is ALWAYS the guy who plays the most minutes.  I know he's in phenomenal shape.  But we don't need to be riding this horse this hard this early. 

I'd rather try and fail with Marquis Daniels and Eddie House getting more than 17 and 12 minutes respectively than push Ray to the limit so soon.  Wasn't the entire reason for the Marquis Daniels signing an effort to get Paul and Ray rest?  42 minutes and, while we're at it, 38 for Pierce, doesn't seem like rest to me.

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  • thetitleisours

    For this game I guess Doc can be excused.
    But we have seen from the past that he does not know how to limit minutes in the long run.
    Problem is that when guys get fatigued (I know they are in phenomenal shape, but I mean less than 100 percent, the jump shot is the first to go, and then that is when injuries happen.
    A half step reduction is big to an athlete. Father time shows no mercy

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p01156f6a54c2970c ToTheRuins

    Im not gonna cry over minutes after the first game…

  • Antoinew8

    IT’S BEEN ONE GAME!!!!!!!
    Relax. this was the first game of the season, a game against one of our likely rivals in the east. Doc just wanted to send a message. He did the same thing with Ray last year in the opening game against Cleveland when he played 40 mins, then the next night he only played 28 mins vs. Chicago.
    The idea of limiting their minutes isn’t going to show itself in the close games, or games against the top teams, it will show itself in blowouts or the second games in back to back nights, or games at the end of the season that don’t matter. Relax, it’s the average minutes per game Doc wants to limit, not every single night. You people annoy me who complain about stupid little things after the first game of the season, after just beating the team everyone picked to go to the finals in the East.
    Here were Rays’ min. numbers the first seven games of last year, look for the same sort of thing this year:
    Game #1- 40 mins vs. CLE
    Game #2- 28 mins vs. CHI
    Game #3- 26 mins vs. IND
    Game #4- 35 mins vs. HOU
    Game #5- 38 mins vs. OKL
    Game #6- 31 mins vs. MIL
    Game #7- 38 mins vs. DET
    Oh, and on a seperate note, i love how last night on the game chat, everyone misconstrued what i was saying about KG’s lack of hops being similar to that or Jermaine Oneals lack of hops after his knee injury into me saying that KG was Jermaine oneal now as an overall player. That’s not at all what i was saying people, Pay attention to the line of chatter.

  • Alex

    I think it’s too early to criticize Doc Rivers on the minutes. After all, we were facing one of our rivals and it was required that one of our stars plays a bit more minutes.
    KG is clearly not 100% yet, and he showed that after he messed up on an easy dunk.
    Don’t worry guys, so far, so good.

  • BBD’s thumb

    1 game. Chill out buddy

  • http://jonnewman21.blogspot.com Jon

    Yea, relax because it has only been one game. I completely agree though – but when I think about all the hype that the Celtics have received in the off-season, I realize why the Big Three would be getting so many minutes to show the the league and fans “What’s Up”. As for the third of the Bigs (KG), he obviously only played 33 minutes because his knee still isn’t 100%. Am I wrong about that?

  • Rj

    5 Reasons to hit the “calm down” button.
    1. Shooting guard, the way Ray plays it, is the least physical position on the court. Rondo, KG, Pierce, and Perk take much more pounding on their bodies out there. 43 minutes for 3 pt to mid range assasins is the equivalent of 30 min for the bangers, think Reggie Miller. He doesn’t play rough and tumble minutes like Iverson used to or D.Wade or Pierce do now.
    2. Winning this game against the Diva and Co. will do wonders for the psyche of this team that didn’t make the conference finals last year. This lets them set the bar high right from the start. Not to mention beating a team at home who won 23 straight there last year and lost only twice at home, total.
    3. I’m pretty sure that he can rest Ray tonight against the Bobcats and then have Marquis and Eddie pick up the slack against a lesser team. You don’t sit your prized horses for the Preakness and then run them at the local track.
    4. It’s Game one
    5. Ray is in great shape.
    5. Shooting guard, the way Ray plays it, is the least physical position on the court. Rondo, KG, Pierce, and Perk take much more pounding on their bodies out there. 43 minutes for 3 pt to mid range assasins is the equivalent of 30 min for the bangers. He doesn’t play rough and tumble minutes like Iverson used to or D.Wade or Pierce do now.

  • Rj

    So nice.. i said it twice ha enjoy

  • http://profile.typepad.com/redsarmy Red’s Army

    I’m just saying… all this talk about limiting minutes and we’re looking at a 42 minute performance in game 1.

  • AboveTheRim

    RJ, nobody runs around more on the court than Ray at the shooting guard position. He comes off screens all day.
    I don’t like seeing the big minutes. On the other end, Shaq played 28. At least Mike Brown’s not trying to kill him by April and realizes the season goes into June.
    And for Ray Ray, being a future HOFer and one of the best shooters ever, how is he so bad finishing around the rim? Always found that odd.

  • nick

    Ive been saying for years now that Paul Pierce is every bit as good as Kobe Lebron or D-Wade. Last nights 4th quarter shows y. This guy can get it done in the clutch better than anybody. Has he ever been dominated by anyone the way Kobe was dominated by him in the finals?? C’mon, all these fuckin ESPN fags who knock him and only hype up Kobe and Lebron are fucking fools, Also he is better on D than either of them and he plays harder than both. A complete team player with the most heart I’ve ever seen on a basketball court, Coming back from stabbings and injuries and NEVER missing any time. bring on Lebron Kobe Wade Vince Carter or whoever else. I choose Pierce. I wouldn’t want anyone over Pierce, the heart the skills, the will. Those other guys don’t have that package. And u can laugh or call me a homer but I know Im right. By the way, any dumb motherfucker who thinks Artest has any effect on Pierces scoring is dumb. Paul will absolutely take a big steamy dump right on his head like he always has. Only defender who I think REALLY can bother Pierce is Luol Deng when healthy.

  • rob

    I love ray going to the rim with the game on the line, ATR–when it matters he always seems to find a way to hit a contested lay-up.
    On the minutes, its never too early to worry about this. Doc’s coaching in this area scares me to death. He makes subs in the second quarter, but in the second half he just takes his eyes off the odometer. Its bizarre.

  • Sophomore

    Dude, honestly.
    I love Paul and his game, but as a pure basketball matter I’d trade him straight up for Kobe in a heartbeat – it’s not even close. I wouldn’t like Kobe’s antics or personality, but on court he’s clearly a better on-ball defender and scorer.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p0115704b7be5970b bigpartymaker

    “The idea of limiting their minutes isn’t going to show itself in the close games, or games against the top teams, it will show itself in blowouts or the second games in back to back nights, or games at the end of the season that don’t matter.”
    Huh? By that logic, paying Marquis was a total waste of money, because any scrub could fill the garbage time minutes. The whole point is to be able to rest them in normal situations so they have plenty left for a deep playoff run.

  • DRJ

    1- I think Doc wanted to give Ray lots of burn, and Ray probably asked for it, because he’s a bit off his game and needs to hit his stride. Best way to get there is with lots of PT.
    2- Uninjured athletes get BETTER with PT, not worse. These are not machines that wear down.
    3- As has been noted, this was an important game. But Ray wasn’t playing so well that he was needed for all 42 minutes. The main reason was probably #1.
    4- Same logic applies to KG. The man can’t jump more than a few inches off the ground. What’s that? He CAN’T JUMP!! But he’s out there playing, contributing where he can. Because Doc knows these guys are not going to get up to speed without the burn time.